Dragon Ball Z Supreme RPG

12-16-2004, 10:34 AM

#2176

Guest

No those models aren't mine, I just took it upon myself to provide evidence to those in disbelief, a few others in this thread have pointed out that the models are in fact stolen yet the creator has denied it repeatedly.

Funny thing is, he's closed his forums to new registration. Probably because some ESF members were taking it upon themselves to register there and call him on the rips, and it was making him look bad.

Now, I can only vouch for almighty_gir in saying he went about it in a professional, and mature manner, and yet his posts were deleted and he was banned. Why? Do they have something to hide?

I think the evidence speaks for itself.

12-16-2004, 10:45 AM	#2177
Dystopia	Oh sorry it is just that Gir said: "in that case, id like to introduce you to the real creator of the gohan model in a feww minutes... " and you were the next post and was on the same side as Gir so I just thought that it may be you. As far s the forums are concerned it is reasonable as he has created a major fan base and doesn't want to lose it.

12-16-2004, 10:48 AM

#2178

Guest

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dystopia

As far s the forums are concerned it is reasonable as he has created a major fan base and doesn't want to lose it.

That is a fair assumption, but don't you think it is also fair that their fans should know they are being deceived and lied to?
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Further proof that the models are ripped. Look at shenron. If in fact the creator DID make this model himself, why do both have the EXACT same "floating spike" error?
http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/shenron2.jpg

12-16-2004, 12:46 PM

#2179

Guest

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dystopia

Wow, I just looked at the first post and was rather impessed then decided to check the last and wellâ€¦

It looked kinda cool, but if HexenLord has stolen models, rather nice ones in fact, how authentic can the map be? How does one know all the triggers arn't stolen as well, although that isn't realy a great crime. I have seen this type of thing happen a few times before, they think it will be great to get the praise of others and just hope and assume they will not be found out.

Also OptiPrime are you the real creator? If so gj on the models. If it was Haxen that did create them then I am sory for accusing you , but with the current evidence displayed against you things arn't looking good.

"ill let hexen and the other staff members for this project deal with u from hear coz let me say u have gotten off lucky so far"

That was rather a pore attempt of a threat, looking at the page count of 87 pages I think it is safe to say you have been rather attached to this project and with it's upcoming â€œScheduledâ€? realise it comes as a rather big blow that this has happened. As much as it brings a tear to my eye war3 modding just isn't that big anymore yet half-life has managed to be huge. ESF has been copyrighted since 2001 whilst this RPG only started this year; I think OptiPrime and Gir will be able to conjure up a greater force and higher authority then HL and his staff.

It looked like a great project on page one, and maybe it can still be one if you can manage to create of legally gather some models and I am sure it would win the admiration of the few war3 battle netters left as the genre is quite popular, I wish both sides good luck and hope it can be resolved.

first of all it wasnt meant to be a threat ...... also it my seem that i havent been very active in this thread and that is coz they have there own forum where i am one of the most respected users on it and to let u know i have done work for hexen so yes i know he hasnt ripped the triggers and i also have complete trust in hexen and i know that he hasnt ripped the modle either so please stfu before u guys say sumthing that gets u banned and drop this because there is no hard solid evidence that hexen did rip the models coz for all we know the esf version f the model could be the one from supreme u could have just copyied it over onto the other pic so for all we know u guys r the ones who ripped hexens models

12-16-2004, 01:00 PM

#2180

Cena

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptiPrime

k here let me tell you something

Ive known Hex for quite a while now, he would never steal modles, i meen seriously folks lets think about this, considering Hex's age, and mind I know for a fact hes too old to do some 12 year old stunt and crack ESF and "steal" their models. There are way more diffences in his modles then yours, beeing part of the team creating, I have also been part of ESF sence beta 1. So, I beleave that you guys need to just leave Hex alone

and about the forums

I CLOSED THE FORUMS

1. Because too many ass holes were signing up, so for the moment its closed till release so hex can get some work done

2. A few ESF memebers signed up, including the preminant DJ-Ready, and cussed out hexen, insted of doing the rational thing and talking to him

12-16-2004, 01:11 PM

#2181

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kablamo185

You're right, you caught me. All I did was remove the entire backfround from Hexen's screenshots, change the position of the model in photoshop in a method that would only be possible in a 3D modelling program. Then I changed the position of the picture, and took pictures of the wireframe and flats.[/sarcasm]

If in fact Hexen made these models, how do I have wireframes and flats? Ok, so you helped him on the triggers. Maybe he's good at making triggers, maybe modelling isn't his forte so he stole other's peoples models? I mean, the proof speaks for itself.

http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/shenron3.jpg

I'm also still waiting for someone to explain (read: bullshit) the mysterious identical model error.
http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/shenron2.jpg

12-16-2004, 01:12 PM	#2182
Cena	want to see some real truth? This is STRAIGHT from the esf site there is their gohan This is our gohan model do you see an diference? FUCK YES YOU DO thank you I rest my case

12-16-2004, 01:15 PM

#2183

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cena

want to see some real truth?

This is STRAIGHT from the esf site there is their gohan

This is our gohan model do you see an diference?

FUCK YES YOU DO

thank you I rest my case

Actually, I do see the difference, it looks identical to THIS ONE! http://www.esf-world.de/main.php?con...&file_id=20770 The one Mr. Smo made.

I have it on my computer. http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/smo_gohan.jpg
It was a nice try thuogh, I commend your efforts.

12-16-2004, 01:15 PM

#2184

Guest

actually, the gohan model in that pic is the standard one released with esf. as we have already stated, the mystic gohan model you guys have was created by AZN-Dragon and Mr. Smo (who is extremely pissed btw)

i think the thing you guys dont realise, is ur talking to opti, who has been close to the esf team since they started, and knows the models intimately, and myself, who is actually payed to model. i KNOW when i see the same model, you can believe that. and if i posted this crap on polycount, you would get ur asses owned and probably have a few new ones ripped there by the good people who tought me.

you are just refusing to face the fact that he ripped the models. simple as.

12-16-2004, 01:21 PM

#2185

Guest

guys i think this is a big mis understanding coz HL models would be way to big to fit the b.net map file size limit coz each one of the HL dbz models r like 1meg hexen has like 20+ custom models in his map so u see if they were HL dbz models then then the map size would be greater than 20meg and that is certainly greater than what b.bet will allow for internet play and hexen and his team have been testing the map heaps on b.net so as u guys can see u r completely wrong on this one

12-16-2004, 01:23 PM

#2186

Guest

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cena

Ive known Hex for quite a while now, he would never steal modles, i meen seriously folks lets think about this, considering Hex's age, and mind I know for a fact hes too old to do some 12 year old stunt and crack ESF and "steal" their models.

You mean open your steam directory, go to your ESF->Models->Player folder, hey look, there are the models. That's some serious cracking chief!

12-16-2004, 01:27 PM

#2187

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kablamo185

i think you will find that the models filesize is dictated not only by its dimesions, (which can be scaled down) and its animation information. half life files have a lot more animation information than WC3 this is true, but then again, hes not using the HL animations is he ;) he just put the model onto the warcraft skeleton. which meant he had to scale the model down, which means the filesize, is smaller.

12-16-2004, 01:34 PM

#2188

Guest

Quote:

Originally Posted by kablamo185

so as u guys can see u r completely wrong on this one

For the sake of argument, let's say you are right.

Can you explain either of these?
- The skins of all the models I posted are identical to the one Hexen claims he made.
- The shenron model has the exact spike clipping problem as the ESF model. (see image http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/shenron2.jpg)

12-16-2004, 01:36 PM	#2189
Guest	ok fine that might be true but i know hexen and he wouldnt do that also i ahve seen soem of the other models he has made which arnt dbz

12-16-2004, 01:46 PM

#2190

Guest

Quote:

Originally Posted by kablamo185

ok fine that might be true but i know hexen and he wouldnt do that also i ahve seen soem of the other models he has made which arnt dbz

just cos he can make other models doesnt mean he didnt do this... i know plenty of modelers who cheated just to make life easy on themeselves, and they all got busted...

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