Dragon Ball Z Supreme RPG

Ok fine, you know Hexen and claim to know he wouldn't steal models. Yet, apparently, I've posted more than enough proof to show that he did steal the models. Whether or not you chose to believe it is up to you. But don't let your devotion to a friend blind you from the truth when it's right in front of your eyes.

yes it does look like he stole the models but i know him and i dont know u and for all i know this could be a huge mis understanding and yes there is alot of proof but all of that could be fake u seriosuly could of moved the models over to the black background

Then explain how I could have possible changed the position of the models in ways that go beyond the constraints of photoshop? If you look closely, none of the models are in identical positions as in Hexen's.

http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/shenron.jpg - Look at the whiskers, and head position. As well as his horns, completely different position.
http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/goku.jpg - The model is in a different angle, and the arms clip through the hair in Half-Life Model Viewer. You'll also notice the arms in a different position where the model probably compiled wrong if he had to scale it to get it into warcraft.
http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/vegeta.jpg - Again, completely different position, yet the models still look identical.
http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/gohan.jpg - This one is self explanatory. There's no way I could have manipulated that screenshot.
http://members.rogers.com/optimusprime/piccolo.jpg - I had to zoom the piccolo on Hexen's screenshot because of the size difference and look at the difference in quality between the two Piccolos. Also, the heads are in different positions. In Hexen's, piccolo is looking down.

There is no possible way I made those images through photoshop editing. If you still don't believe me, I can post links to the original models if thats what it is going to take.

ok heres what we will do about that. ill give you my email address and aim handle, you add me, i give you HLMV and whichever one of those models is in question, and you can decide for yourself. ok?

[email protected] (for msn)

aim: rocknrollups.

Hello,

Yes i am an ESF player and yes i am going to give my two cents in about this whole skinning propaganda.

First off,



kablamo185, that last post you just made has no meaning. How can you say that when there has been no defense to Opti's confrontation. He has given ample proof that the models ((not Modles since people seem to be having trouble with spelling)) have been ripped and converted to WC3. For you to always back him up with " I know him, he won't do that ", ill just back up opti with "I know him, he wouldn't do that". Now we are back to where we last left off. Opti with proof and you with just an assumption. I do not see the hardships of saying he took the models. Now i am not a BIG modeler nor would i say i know everything about modeling, but i am a programmer and a coder and i would know if a code was ripped from me and in all obviousness, these models were ripped from ESF. The shenron is rediculous. That is the EXACT model. No changes on it what so ever. You say that they could have just placed it on a black background, that is going a bit far fetched. The thought of stealing a model seems to be impossible in your eyes, people do it, your friends will steal. This is part of life...just because someone you know doesn't act like they would...they still can. So without being mean or derogative I will just post my personal opinion:

The models were ripped from the Esf team and esf-world. Removing of the skins wouldn't be a big problem if the modeler knows what he is doing. Taking the credit from a copyrighted site can lead to consequence and immediate actions should be taken. If you could some how prove that the models are different and have substantial evidence of this, i MIGHT think differently but, as of now, i think extremely low of the community and of the ripper who has taken these models.





Ending:

I am not a part of the ESF team nor do i represent them. I am a fan of their work and their dedication to the mod. I simply feel disgusted from these actions and wished express this disgust towards the community using these models. I am a fan of warcraft but not ripping and hopefully these things can be settled.



Signed

Sarutobi Sensei

first of all even if he did "steal" the models who cares seriously coz it isnt like it is against the law or anything coz even if he did take them it isnt stealing coz all the models u guys claim he stole would have been up for public to download and yes i know the only reson u guys r pissed is coz he says the models r his own and they might be he might have made them just coz they look the same doesnt mean they r coz for all we know hexen could have modeld them off the esf ones

Just because they are up for public download (Shenron, Mystic Gohan and Goku are not free for public use outside of ESF), doesn't mean anyone can just use them in their own game or mod. They were created by the fans of ESF to be used specifically with ESF. If the author doesn't mind them being used otherwise, the least Hexen can do is give credit. But up to this point, he has stated that he made all of those models, and therefore, I am holding my opinion of him as a ripper.

And then stole the skin maps?

Umm..yea, these models are ripped. And if anyone says otherwise,
then you need to get some new glasses or your just retarded.



"first of all even if he did "steal" the models who cares seriously coz it isnt like it is against the law or anything coz even if he did take them it isnt stealing coz all the models u guys claim he stole would have been up for public to download and yes i know the only reson u guys r pissed is coz he says the models r his own and they might be he might have made them just coz they look the same doesnt mean they r coz for all we know hexen could have modeld them off the esf ones"

.....open your eyes man...He stole the models and claimed there his.
Thats a big no no in the modeling world. Its not a legal thing, its more
of a respect issue. You dont steal models and claim there yours. Thats
like stealing somones child and claiming created it....Thats may be a bad
comparison but thats how it is for some.

Those Vegeta's models don't look a like at all.
Answer this for me how do you put HL model into warcraft and on the same time not go over4 mb as that is the max :god_help_us:

I don't know, I don't mod WC3, I just know a blatant rip when I see one. The Vegeta isn't as obvious, it looks like some proportions have been tweaked, but if you check the head, as well as shading, and lighting on the model. It's identical.

Quite interesting, indeed.
I built both the Shenron mesh and texture, as well as the Goku mesh and texture. I did this about 2 years ago, when I was working on the ESF mod. I have the source texture files and 3dsmax files at home on my old PC. I'll try to get them tonight, and post pics.

I don't really mind this person using MY work, but the fact that he DENIES using it, and doesn't give credit, irritates me quite a bit. I'm sure the other ESF team members are going to feel the same way.

First of all wtf is ESF? Never heard of it? Yes, then i am a noob. Is it Earths Special Forces? If it is where can i find it ^_^ .

Yes, hex maybe stole the models, but why would he say he made then he could just shut up, or he has a secret Identitie he he.

EDIT: A mod for HL nice.

When in doubt more proof. Here's substantional proof that the Goku model belongs to ESF.

http://fcx.mikeanime.com/ESF-Goku-Model.wmv

hi i am a big fan of your Dbz Supreme Rpg i have 2 ting i wonna ask about 1. why do you never update your site?? 2. how long are you in the map???. that was all and hexenLordX keep the good work

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