Point system statement

Stoned was so kind as to give everyone 100 points :)
Also, yes, It would seem the avatar is permanent. There is a short description in the store, check that out :)

thanks for the response, i wasnt sure about it because it kinda sounded like it, but i wasnt sure

good points hunter, i agree, and i especially agree on the fact that it needs to be controlled, if we have some powerful options that were only available to moderators, or other things that could mess **** up if abused, they need to be

i think its a good thing to do. now people will stop saying "What happened to my post count?" or "I have more posts than you!" I'm saving for the Username glow. it will look great in red. once i saw stonedstoopid with it i thought it was cool.

Keep saving then. If you want, there is a temp bank setup (in my sig) until the official Wc3c bank opens. It should help you to your goal.

okay, i want to deposit but i don't know where to go to do that.

OK, here's the problem as I see it. People are very likely to ignore that "Rate" button. It's not very prominent. And here's what will happen in that case:

I post one poll designed to be provocative and controversial. Draws a lot of votes, but in the end it's of no real consequence. Result: I get TONS of points for my ONE post.

I post many cogent replies to newcomers' questions and offer up any good ideas I might have to people who have posted threads asking for them. Result: I get ONE POINT for each post I make.

What are you trying to encourage with this new "economy?" A rating is one thing when it can't get you anything but respect - but when it turns into something you can trade on, it really does take on aspects of real currency: that is, it can be exchanged for goods or services. Some people are bound to put more value in this currency than others, and you are encouraging these people to start new threads instead of searching the boards for an answer, to be provocative instead of thoughtful, and to be selfish instead of selfless.

"Money is the root of all evil?" I dunno, maybe.

I'm pretty sure the only reason the point system was put in place is because the site will get bigger and more popular as a result, "competition will increase productivity". I don't really care much about it, I never ask for stuff, pretty much all the maps I did, I did by myself from the tools and tutorials sections. While it doesn't really affect me I still don't like the idea of the system, as points will be exploited madly, e.g. someone might not like someone else, go and rate all that guys posts badly so he falls way below 300, then use his own 5000 points to change the guys title to "Uberretard" or something like that. It was probably meant to do this, but it still seems like it's too much to ask of everyone at WC3C to accept this new currency system just so the site will get bigger.

When you add a "real-world" counter-part to anything, it ads a bigger feel to it, although I'm afraid I will just ignore it or something. You've added points to something that doesn't really need it, nor will if really bother it. Truth is, for some people, this is the world they live in, and for every hour or so they spend on here, they probably "generate" about 30 points, give or take. They then use these points to "buy" or sell things on here. Frankly, I could care less if my name reflects in glowing red, becasue I'm not on here enough that it's my life. Respect will NOT come from glowing letters, but from the quality of the work given. I will start to skin again when I get time, and post the download for free. If someone feels like giving me some points for it? Fine. I really don't care. I am definitly not, however, paying some guy "fake" money, to make some "fake" merchandise. It's a game people. We are here to make the game a creative, fun, and more interesting place. I seriously believe, on my own accord, that working some stupid-as* monetary system into it will degrade the site as a whole. Sure, people are "working" now, Wolverine, but for what reasons? Points? Isn't that sad? A person should only work on what they want to work on, or if they want to help people. Putting the reason of money behind it makes it not fun, but work. And I come on here to have fun, be creative, and paly games. Not work for points, to buy the new theme, glowy letters, or half-as* skin from a cheapskate.
This site is going to feel the subtle affects of greed soon enoguh, in many forms, and it's a shame.

Down with points.

As I already said, I thought I could offer a service to the community, inspire positive posting and give a little bonus to what is available for points. I was trying to provide quality skins for everyone at WC3C and save the requests forum ( it was a failure until 2 days ago,nobody would help anyone, now its booming).
I really do not care about the points, I'll give them to WC3C magazine cache so they can hire people or do cool stuff like make stickys. It was meant to inspire people,
member : "hey, im not really into glowing names, what else is there? oh i need skins for my campaign but nobody every replies, if I continue to be a usefull positive poster, I could request some skins."
It was never a question of greed, I just wanted to add a littlle bonus but people will always complain and always throw things in your face when you try to help dying campaigns.

Well, you seem to forget the point I made on a very important aspect. When you make a campaign, you want people to become interested, want people to relate to it. They will have to want to play it, right? Thats what makes a game fun. The same exact reason applies for this very site, and the problem occuring, presently. If I start a campaign (I'm currently trying, but you wc3c people said no to it :nono: ) then I will need a triggerer, a modeller, and a object editor (for example sake.... I can do those jobs). Would you want to work on something you didn't believe in? Your answer... Yes. For what reason? Not to help them, but to earn points! The moral side gets lost, as it always does, like it or not, when monetary systems come into play. Truth is, people were helping each other out before, just not in that forum. Why? Becasue they were having fun working on the stuff they wanted to work on. Some people were, indeed, giving out free skins, and you complain about their quality. Well, at least they were helping. I really don't want to argue this anymore, seriously, because I'm either going to 1: keep arguing till it's gone, 2: ignore it and try to focus on my campaign, without people asking for "points", or 3: leave because you've ruined the site.

I used to paly Diablo II, but anyone who palyed it can tell you that when trading, money, and even your position in the realm matter, greed and corruption follow. "Glowy Letters" don't sound much different than having the "Patriarch" attached to your name... I just can't wiat till "Pay-Pal" shows up, with people wanting real money for things, jsut like Diablo II.


I'll say it again! DOWN WITH POINTS! :nono:

I'm stuck between both sides here. On one hand, I am against the points system, on the basis that helping one another has taken a step down, sure it has enforced, nay, encouraged people to do 'work' for others, but at the cost of a system, instead of good old free will.

However, I have watched countless requests, and please for help go unanswered before the system was put in place. I have helped people out, and have been helped in return (to a lesser extent), so I've managed to build up a list of contacts whom I can trade with.

Fortunately, I have something to offer. Many people don't, and so this system will allow them to gain the ability to purchase help, at the cost of interest, activity and contribution to the community. Sure, you could bend that to say spamming, cheating and hacking, but if people are willing to go to that extent and effort, and evade punishment or banning, then they do equally well on the perseverance!

I am torn between asking for points for my work or continuing my 'good will' trades with contacts. The lack of help I have received on the modelling part has pushed me to learn for myself. But I'll emphasis again that some members are, and always will be incapable of some aspects of modding.

So, to conclude, I feel the points system will not draw us into a tight-fisted community of dealers. I honestly think it has given all aspects of skill, knowledge, and interest a value. A value that allows people to sell what they are capable of, to buy that which they cannot do themselves.

Just an example.

I spent 2 hours on a skin, which generates a few replies like 'put up for DL'. I am reluctant to simply give away my hard work when others have shunned my requests.

Now I can say I'll send it to you for 'x points'. Hopefully, I may make a few points by 'selling' the skin (unless the git uploads it for everyone), giving me some buying power. This will then allow me to bug some modeller to do my simple model tweak request for my mod.

In my opinion points = time and effort. You gain them, by default, from posting, and having people read your posts. Now you can gain them for your modding work, and let you receive something in return for your efforts.

But you have just made my point even clearer by your example. If time and effort=points, it's the same thing as working.
"I'll work for points, so I can buy that model for my map."
It all equals people no longer doing this for fun, but for personel benefit. This is not the place. You say you took 2 hours of hard work to make a skin, and was against the thought of putting it up. Did you enjoy making the skin? Why did you make it? Try answering these, and you'll see why the point system has taken some serious steps back for the "cumminity". If someone wanted that skin, and you made it for them, you got points to give another person to work for you. It never stops, and thats not a good thing.
On the other hand, lets say you didn't "feel" like working 2 hours on that skin the person wanted. ...Umm, thats why it's a game, a a hobby, a past-time, a place to sit and relax. Perhaps that person with the model wouldn't want to make that armor for you? Why would you want it from him if he didn't want to do it?

Instead, the requests forum could be turned into a place where giving and recieving are done on a clear concience. You make a skin that just happens to work for someone (this happens a lot), and so you enjoyed making this skin, you probably used the skin in your own map, for yourself, and even helped someone out. Maybe when your looking for that armor, someone just might have it, and feel good about sharing it with the people who need it in return.

The point system rocks,just remove points from ppl who ask em for help,except for good skins0_o

HK, I have spent many hours making skins for people. I help in 4 mods for 'fun' and I even do skin requests. To date no one has answered any of my easy model requests in the request forum.

This new system has given me the power to buy my requests from the work I have done.