Point system statement

Only 35% didn't like it, and this poll is still biased

I think people got the picture that this poll is biased, but that still doesn't account for the 50 people who don't like points, compared to the 28 that do. Half of them that said yes or ok, were probably just polling for the hell of it, but thats just a thought. Also, the no opinion poeple, if they were to be put to the yes or no question, chances are, from the current state of the poll, that over half would vote "I don't like it". :nono:

Still, I'm nbot going to argue stupid percentages with you. The facts are that more people hate this new system than love it, hands down. Now go do something useful people, and try not to get too caught up in this rediculous point system. :(
It's obvious that the polls don't really mean anything, much less the ton of complaints, and that the moderators and admins are probably trying to get rid of people or something. emote_confused

Was never ment to be Vex, it's a statement, not an official poll...

And btw, who said there needed to be a Yes involved for it to be valid? I love it is a yes...just with a tad of sarcasm (OK alot :P)

Anyways, the points aren't too bad so far...people are pressing the prices when people publish them, and they are fair atm. So I'm hoping the best :)

I havent seen much requests filled in the request forum before the point system was implented in the first place. At least it kinda serves as a impuls for people to actually do something

Still, its getting weird to see people make average work and still demand points for it. Imo it is not a good idea but it is too short to set a conclusion yet of the system. it takes time to evaluate how things will turn out etc. You cant just say "kill that system" if it was just implented in a short time and being used.

ATM I dont see any work yet that is actually worth their point bidding (see request forum, to be honest the quality of work is below average, same applies for the skinning sector)

Pricing are still being evaluated. Regarding to people who said that the fact that some functions (avatar change) require points sucks...do you know a better idea then to use the points?

Oh let me point one more thing out:

IF I EVER see SOMEONE trying to pringle points out of someone in exchange of the work which ISNT done by him in the first place (claiming credits for other people's work) , Expect serious **** being done by yours truly. I do NOT tolerate jackasses that try THIS!!

Ill make a official statement sooner or later.

There should be a bidding system or something for people trying to "sell" skins, there are people that aren't specially doing a great work on their skins and try to sell them for 180 points.

That is making me mad, why would they try to sell a mediocre skin for that much?

Zach: I just said that because HarlequinKnight tried to make a point from the "poll".

It is good to know that things are getting better somehow, but still there is a kind of disadvantage betwen the Skinners and the people that don't make skins in this point getting system

Actually Cookie and Vex, I think it's up to the "consumers" to figure out on their own if they think they want to pay 180 points for some skin....

Whitehorn and Myself aren't charging for making stuff for people, rather hoping for donations :) This way we can take out time, have fun with what we are doing, as we can say no to work AND we can push people away who we don't want to make stuff for....like...50©ents...

I'm afraid Cookie, that the above example have just been attempted again...

He has now changed the subject and text of the topic, but I still have the model file and blp he tried to tell people that was his own...

Look here for the thread, and read mine..might make some sence..

If u want the files he firstly attached, lemme know :)

:reallyang
Is this why Wolverine Closed his Shop! He had a darn good idea charging points, considering the quality of his work. I liked the charging points idea. why? Well because when you pay somebody you know it will get done, and the skinner/modeler whatever gets a prize for his work. I dunno what seems to be the problem, there where still folks taking requests for free. You guys should relax, are you all angry cause you did'nt have enough points to get your skin?=(
There is and will always be spammers, moderators or admins should give greater penelties rather thn take away the point system.

All i have to say is the point system got me active in the forum. I posted more and so i got more involved. With a couple more points heading my way i also learned how to use PhotoShop 7 to skin and how to make cinematics and customise my whole WC game. All thanks to the point system=)
It's not real money anyways

Is what why Wolverine closed?

Noone is angry...not me at least :P

I'm glad u had this much sucess with the point system, that is just awesome :) And trust me, it aint going anywhere :O

*Ahem* Maybe I should link you to a few threads where people were demanding work for points...

Will terrain for points
Will terrain for points remake
Can someone make me a skin? (Also listed on front page)

In the first two, it was a complete newbie who wanted 100 points to do terrain, and 150 points to do something big, and he kept refusing to do it yet kept asking for points. In the remake of the topic, when he finally did something, it turned out his skills were absolutely terrible, and yet he wants 100 points for it. Even I can terrain better than he can, and I'd do my best for free.

As for the third one, just look at it, it's pretty self-explanatory. Someone was taking credits for someone else's work and asking for points at the same time.

So you see, you can easily ask for a lot of points when you do a crappy job, or when you take credits for someone else's work. That's one flaw in this whole points system.

I'd say that we just scrap the points system all-together. Too many people are asking for points to do EVERYTHING, when this is supposed to be a forum about help. Back in the old days with posts, everything was fine, people were willing to help for free, but as soon as points came in, it was all "Oh, I'll do this for points!" and "Give me points and I'll help you." and "I'm not doing anything until you give me some points." It's ridiculous.

Now that we can't rate posts anymore unless they have attachments in them, this forum will be going to hell even more. Now people can spam, give idiotic advice and other things like that all they want, and they can't be rated unless they have an attachment in their post, so they can get away with almost anything now.

Rest assured, if the point system keeps up like this, the forum will eventually go completely to hell. Everybody demanding points for every little thing, idiot spammers constantly posting every single topic they can everywhere and mass posting as much as they can, just to get more points... seriously, just for a special little color or glow to your name or to change your avatar or title on a STUPID WEBSITE? Seriously, people actually care enough to demand points and waste their time spamming just to get a few numbers under their name that change how their username looks on a damn WEBSITE? That's right, it's IRRELVANT. It doesn't matter, in the end it means NOTHING. What if WC3C was to crash someday and EVERYTHING was lost? That's right, all your efforts gone. Now you realize how much points actually matter. Seriously, go out and get a life. Get a job, make real money instead of a few numbers on a website. Honestly, who the hell cares if your username has a bunch of fancy colors? How the hell does it matter if your username is a little bit colored and a bit different? What do you have to gain from it? I want the glow or colored username someday if this keeps up, but I'm not willing to mindlessly spam or demand points for my work just to get them, I'd rather earn them just by posting whenever somebody needs help and when I reply to topics, or make topics just to give people an idea of a map I'm working on or just post a friendly poll to see what most WC3C users think. (Wow, that was the longest run-on sentence ever.) It's just something I do in my free time for fun.

Just think about it, in 3 months...

Poster 1: I need help! How do I make a trigger so certain units in a region move to another region when I cast a spell?

Poster 2: Give me 54789574894237 points and I'll give you the trigger. Otherwise, I'm not helping you.

I'd rather give out my services for free, and even though I'm not really good at art and terraining in the world editor, I'm willing to do my best just to help someone out.

I just think the points system should be removed. Everything was all peaceful during posts, but points just seems to attract the idiots further and causes too much needless spamming and demanding. Get rid of it.

*Deep breath* Okay, I'm done... I think that was my longest post ever. I'm probably gonna get massive hate PMs for my post, but hey, it was worth it.

P.S. Zachary, I don't blame you for wanting to leave either. I'm already thinking about it, due to everything the new point system has caused. :nono:

You are just over reacting on it, the point system is fine, and I am pretty happy that I can just offer points to get a nice skin, before points It would be impossible for me to get any art, I remember myself asking for a mirror image icon for a warden in the request forum, that request was just ignored, now I can offer 50 points for it and some good artist will gladly help me (too bad I already made one)

Things weren't so peaceful before points, We always had spammers and hole heads in the forums ruinning it for everybody, those people just gets eventually banned.

The only thing is that now that points matter you are starting to note them...

Also Wolverine closed his shop either because he got a supermoderator job, he was too busy or he felt like already having a lot of points

Ok, someone might kick my a** for writing this, at least that was what happend last time...

Wolverine closed his shop, right after I pointed out that his thread was stickied. At this time, Wolverine was a mod in the skins forum (not sure if he was supermod)

Anyways, Wolverines thread was stickied, but no points had been used to get it stickied. So I asked if that was legal in any way, for a mod to use his modding powers to use features (for himself) that usually cost points for us normal people... As this was pointed out by StoonedStoopid earlier on...

In response, my post got deleted and I was sent a warning...for putting down mods?!!? (yes, that was the excuse)

I guess Wolverine figured out that sticking his own thread without paying for it, wasn't too smart, and closed buisness...

Another way to look at it, would be thoes morons requesting 20 skins, and never having enough points to pay...spamming his thread with their lousy comments (2 hours after requesting: WHERE IS MY SKIN)

OR, he is simply buissy....dunno, he never gave a reason :P So I guess the only one who knows for sure is Wolverine himself.


Anyways, this is another flaw in the points system. Mods should have to pay like the rest of us...or it's simply stupid.. I can understand the Admins (like stooned) but mods are just mods...

I don't think the points system should be shut down, rather it should be monitored harder and people like u and me, should HELP to keep it clean...

One last thing :) This ISN'T hostility towards Mods or staff of Wc3Campaigns, so don't delte my post! ty

Moderators should be able to sticky whatever thread seems useful forum - wise (forum rules , something really important someone found) but if they want to sticky some of their businness they should pay for it (specially when they have a lot of points)

Of course admins are the only that can keep moderators from doing that

Of course, but people should be allowed to speak their mind regarding stuff like this, as it isn't fair... I was just asking back then, if it was legal ...

ok, thats why.
Too bad, he was really good. Well i still believe in the point system.=)

personally i like the points system. People who wont help other people unless giving points are assholes, but if somone wants to request something specific from me, and all i'm gonna get is a "thanks" and i might not even get into the credits, this really pisses me off. If the points system is removed, i'll just go back to not offering my services around. The Points system has its advantages. Alot of modellers and skinners wouldnt be offering their stuff at ALL, instead they offer it for a price, personally i'd prefer to have to pay for things instead of not getting them at all. Stop whining, if you dont like it, leave, noone will stop you, and whining about crap because you dont happen to like it wont change anything. The actual reason Wolv closed his shop, or at least the one he told me was that his thread was getting overwhelmed with spam and off topic posts.