| 08-18-2003, 06:13 PM | #31 |
you so called elite map makers forget one thing when you make your map... and thats gameplay value... no one wants to play a beautifully terrained rpg that requires all 5 players to be in to finish it... or a list of god damn commands in the quest box in order to correctly know how to do stuff... they dont want to learn a new game... they just want to play... you guys waaaaaaaaay over do it sometimes... look at slivers open rpg... seriously... what a peice of garbage.... but its played non stop... why? cuz it doesnt require much outside of knowing how to play the orginal game... You build, you fight... I play it all the time to! (although im working on a protected open rpg with some balance and purpose to it)... Cinematics ARE LAME AS #%!#... seriously... this isnt a god damn movie... no one cares... except other map makers who may apperciate the trigger work involved... ITS even worse when you cant esc out of them... and you have to watch some horrible dialog by some 16 year old DnD nerd... AND ALL OF YOUR DIALOGS SUCK ***... NONE OF YOU SHOULD EVER WRITE A BOOK... Nerf the Cinematics... Nerf The advanced triggers with chat commands to work... DoTA and Rivals are popular... and they are quality maps... (well some DoTA) Why? they are kept simple... very small learning curve... and non stop slice and dice action... which is what this game is about... Dead and or dying units, caused by the players hero... Here is a list of where to focus your time to help all you crazy mofo's with your maps... RPG- NO DIALOG.... serious... the game is about advancing your hero and discovering new items... use floating text... "go kill the bad man"... or "find this item"... not "Many moons have passed since the Great Fledgling war of 1240... the eastern folk are now once again troubled by BLA BLA BLA... ON AND ON AND ON AND ON!" .... Enter Guy... "hello my name is steve... BLA BLA BLA BLA" NO ONE CARES THEY JUST WANT TO BUY THA' NEW ITEM AND GET BACK TO KILLIN... AoS- Custom Spells... and more Advanced AI... Maybe some more orginal ideas so we arent playing the same damn game... TD- tower defence just sucks a big fat one... and i agree with most of you on this... I dont get why it is popular... it is truely a crime against humanity...IF YOU ARE MAKING THIS... just stop now... cuz you suck... Be Orginal, but make it simple... your letting your intellegence grab hold and make the map.. to much time is spent on the technical aspects of maps... and not the gameplay... Peace & Love Sucka's = P /BooM |
| 08-18-2003, 06:24 PM | #32 | |
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and that is the most self rightous babble I have ever seen... "bla bla they dont like my map because they are idiots..." lol... I believe an eastern philospher once said that the truely wise man allows himself be thought a fool for there in lies true wisdom... maybe if you got off your high horse and listened to these so-called idiots you could make a map worth playing? |
| 08-18-2003, 07:36 PM | #33 |
I've read every single post here and I couldn't agree more. Most people only care about winning even if it's some custom game that does nothing to there stats, in fact people are scared of stats. They want it to be good no matter what. But some very well hard worked on maps, like battleships. Are kinda overdone. Like have you looked at the quests? Even I feel lost and I don't even want to read anything from it. People also want fun, not gameplay fun. But cheesy fun. Like building in someones area in a Tower Defense. Or backstabbing people in a RT. Messing up a great RP game. Or just being brat and talking junk. These arn't tips on making a popular map. It's just what some people do to have fun. Wouldn't BNet be perfect if there were no turds? But good maps. Are when you want to make a map you can be proud of, not a new version of maul with more cheesy shiz. Good maps are coming back, kinda. But the losers on BNet are against us0_o well that's maybe my opinion. Peace |
| 08-18-2003, 08:12 PM | #34 |
I have something dearly sad to say. . . I am one of those 90% retards. I discovered this as of late, when thinking about the maps I play more often than not. Tower Defense, Protect the Guy (Which is my favorite map, brilliantly designed), screw up RP games (only when someone pisses me off, though) and do what most people do on Battle.net - play for fun. Although, I can give myself some slack because there are rarely any good fun games that are advanced in quality and design. But, on the other hand, I would prefer a good game of Diplomacy if it wasn't full of noobs who hadn't a clue what they were doing. If the average gamer had payed attention in History class, he would know what war is like and how to act on a Wc3 Map. But they didn't, and so I fall into the only maps that actually contain peoeple who know what they are doing. I really understand what a good quality map needs, simpleness. Take elements from every noob map out there and combine them into seamless features that everyone will understand. For example ; Tower Defense maps. Build towers to kill the enemy. Simple enough. Build towers to protect supply routes. A little tougher, but still the same general idea. Hero Arena - level your guy and buy tomes to kill the enemy. Level up your hero and lead a company of men to destroy towns and cities. Also the same general idea. AoS - combine your units and lead them into destroying the enemy. A bit tougher to understand, but everything is controlled by the AI. Combine your units and lead them into destroying towns and cities but also controlled the units. Simple indeed, yet more sophisticated. Put these all into a map and you get a classic battlefield map where there are no clueless noobs, no people who get frustrated when something doesn't go right the first time. Also - visibility. People are afraid of what they can't see. Blizzard had the right idea with Fog of War, not making it pitch black but not totally visible, enough to give the enemy cover and input a realistic feature. If I were making an AoS type map, I would have the players half of the board totally visisble and the other half covered in fog of war. This helps the player see where he needs to go and what lies beyond the enemy lines. `Pesmerga |
| 08-18-2003, 08:37 PM | #35 |
I think its more like 95% of b.net are complete idiots... anyways, i'm making an rpg at the moment and while i do add funny stuff like the "pissed" unit sound effects when spells are cast and stuff, I am not making the map to please some fool who would plays maps like "UBER 1337 SHEEP TAG" or "AOS GODLY INSANE FUN!!!!!!!!!" you probably remember these people from starcraft as playing maps with names like "$$$$$$$$$$ULTRA UBER BIG GAME HUNTERS MO MONEY$$$$$$$$$$". I am making the map for the 5%-10% of intelligent people on bnet (and any of the stupid people who want to cross over to intelligence) those intelligent people include the people on my friends list and everyone I know in clan MaP. Imagine all the best features in any rpg you've played, roll them into one big, organized, incredible map, and you've got what i'm working on. I personally don't really like Legacies: Tides of the Serpent (or whatever its called) though it's a huge step up from gauntlet. Because the 6 gems are basically a fancy way of saying you have 3 lives per game unless someone gives you gems. And there isnt much of a plot. And the camera angle(s) starts to annoy me sometimes. (Note: I also do not like my own (8)World of WarCraft. Though it's the best world of warcraft map, it is far from a great map... but hey, it was my first map. |
| 09-11-2003, 12:08 AM | #36 | |
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| 09-19-2003, 01:44 AM | #37 |
I couldn't agree with you more. The only maps I have played that let you express creativity are RPGs (which eventually are replaced with a 10 minute rpg where you spawn from altars) and RPs (which are ridden with bugs and inperfections). Now, the people in WC3Campaigns understand what we mapmakers do, and typically, we should set up a network for Warcraft 3 Campaign Members to play games to their heart's content. |
| 09-19-2003, 02:16 AM | #38 |
Because most of the maps that people like are FUN. They don't care if they're "good" or whatnot, they care if they have fun while playing it. Maps you people say are retarded are fun to play, unless there's some dick in there that takes it too seriously and starts going crazy killing your ****. Most of the "good" maps are just RPG's or campaigns or something like that, and those are boring as ****. If I want to play **** for a storyline, I'll play it offline. Customs spells can be good, but most of the time people just overload it with useless text that doesn't explain jack **** like in enfos. Do you people see where I am going with this? People like maps they can play over and over and still enjoy. Also, melee maps are just dumb, because people play custom games to get away from the main game, not to play a modified ladder. |
| 09-19-2003, 02:45 AM | #39 | |
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Leave the disgruntled mappers to themselves. Who cares about fame? People spend hours making maps, they deserve a little recognition... And it makes the mapper feel good, like his time was well spent. |
| 09-19-2003, 02:58 AM | #40 |
its sad but true, warcraft3 attracts lame idiots that cant play a real map.... what id like to see is some real and true matrix maps be made, if anyone is interested, i would be willing to help out making one (im not such a experienced mapper myself tho so...). what i mean by a real matrix map, is you use groups of units to defend, not towers, you must upgrade the units, blah blah blah. i have to say, zoator td is incredibly strategy based, and is pretty challanging when there are alotta noobs on "the other side", but most zoator games i make fill up pretty fast. and about the really bad spelling stuff, its kinda stupid, but i belive alot of that comes from t3h l33tsp34k l4ngu4g3 (the leetspeak language for anyone who cant read it.) the lame misspelled names must be from some random 10 year old kids that are like "omfg it must be really cool to say "t3h pwnz0rz j00," i should just talk like that but im too stupid to spell it right" so it ends up just looking like stupid 3 year old spelling. |
| 09-19-2003, 03:06 AM | #41 | |
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This brings one person to my mind... SilentLurker. |
| 09-19-2003, 04:18 AM | #42 | |
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You should see their anti-TK system, then you will figure it out... Edit: Also please note the most played maps are the ones with the most BS versitility (ex. I have a huge army and I'm bored so I'll just kill you with no retribution or penalties). More edit: Most B.netters aren't retards. They are just 14 year old power trippers. **** them. |
| 09-19-2003, 05:15 PM | #43 |
I quit B.NET a long time ago. Now i just play on my LAN:D I would seriously reccomend doing something like this if u have more than 1 comp in ur house. It's loads of fun, usually faster, and you can just not let tards join (unless ur friends are tards). Other than that, there r thirdparty programs that let you multiplay War3 in other ways that B.NET. JOIN THE LAN REVOLUTION! its fun! :ggani: |
| 09-19-2003, 05:17 PM | #44 | |
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| 09-19-2003, 06:03 PM | #45 |
Phil_123, ur wrong. Enfo's is a good attempt at a strategic map, and riquies a lot more thought than other, but it still proves C+R's point, it is highly unbalanced. No offence, but if u think the paladin is underbalanced, either you never play or you are a really poor player |