New Hosting Policy: Discussion and Complaints

these forums are special because of the people...not the projects

just because WC3C has COTN hosted doesn't make it a better forum site...

Yes it does

I agree with Angel, cause if only crappy projects got hosted here, and godly projects got hosted at Modforge, then who'd have a bigger community??? But, the fact that you can't do multiple hosting is just plain-out stupid! I mean, this is a COMMUNITY not a dictorship!
So basically, this should be Warcraft 3 Campaigns, A Modding Dictatorship! So, lets be a community! Skull, go hug Hollowman! :D We can all make up!

(JK Don't ban me! :nono: )

Of course, if a site doesn't mind giving out space for free and being used for publicity, which in this case is mod forge, then why should the modder care? This arguement is flawed as well, you are assuming that both sites care, which they obviously do not.



Ok, so a bigger community is a better community? And you are stating that a community is on a site? That's just dumb, the community is every single site despite what wc3c thinks.

I agree, however that banning mutli-hosting is "plain-out stupid."


Try convincing the admins this is a community, and good luck. Not sure what you mean byt he second sentence there. Skull having peace with someone? Unlikely In my opinion. And your last comment in parenthesis...funny how you felt you needed to do that, isn't it? This place may be a dictatorship after all.

Exactly, I mean, cmon! Censoring Modforge? (Or atleast, that's what I heard...) And attacking CoTD just because its being hosted at modforge, but not any of the other bunches of projects hosted at other sites? Is Skull afraid of losing people or something?? :nono: We've gotta protest or something!

how are you going to complain..even if we do have a thread of awareness...the moderators will most likely delete like they have in the past numerous times...take for example..chicken_soup..he had a strong opinion that we should be aloud the right of free speech on these forums..and he was banned for it

dispite what you say this "community" is a dictatorship/ogliarchy <--SP so your really just going to have to deal with it.. sadly..:(

There is one way to communicate without the mods tampering, and that is the godly form of communication known as a Private message.

chicken_soup....sounds familiar.

Anyway, you don't have to deal with it. You can leave, and set an example for others.

There are tons of other sites in the community.

For educational purposes, not advertisement: (expect the dictatorship to edit this, I guess)
www.campaigncreations.org
www.smempire.org
www.theworldcrafters.com (forum down, but will be back up soon)
www.warcraftiii.net
www.samods.com
www.gameproc.com
www.glorysblaze.org
www.aiixiia.com (the succesor of www.umsmaps.com)
www.wc3modforge.com (if censored, the one this place doesnt like. the forge :))

And I am sure I am missing a few...but there you go.

DOn't forget, even Technetium said it, if you don't like it, go somewhere else!

As WB has pointed out, WC3C != the community. Although they have done their best several times to kill the rest of the community, they really are nothing more than a site which provides good free hosting and a popular forum. The only real asset that WC3C has is good hosting.

If you don't like the site, explore the rest of the community. You really won't miss it.

They don't even have 'good' hosting, their hosting is no different than the hosting provided at many other sites.

What they do have is a crowded forum, and a crowded hosted projects list.

I think less projects here would actually help the existing projects.

What a lot of you people don't seem to realize is this: Stoned is giving out bandwidth to the people with mods in return for publicity. Now, if someone takes that bandwidth and takes some more bandwidth from other sites and promises them the same thing, both sites are missing out.

The only reason modforge isnt complaining is because they know they cannot win. Sorry to say, but they cannot in actuality compete with us. I'm not saying this because I'm some pompous admin. I know the staff there and I know the staff here. I've been with wc3 modding since the begging. I remember the first day AI was discovered in the beta and ive seen wc3 modding grow and progress. I can tell you they do not have what it takes to survive. We have survived for a couple of reasons.

One: we have a ruthless leader. Skull is a ruthless person; he will do whatever it takes to get what he wants and what he needs for this site. No matter how much some people want to bitch and say "that's not fair" and "its not democratic" or "thats not nice" -- He gets things done and you can't aruge with that.

Two: We have people here who know what they are doing. The tools and camapigns that come out of wc3c make up the majority of the 3rd party wc3 programs. A 3rd party editor, multiple model programs, spell editors, texture converters, all kinds of stuff -- all from here.

In the end, this site wins the battle of bigger and betterness and thats why we are making a big deal out of this. We are the best site around and we are offering you the most publicity and the best help around. When you go around lending your mod to other sites with extra hosting, you leech off of our site and we can't have that happening.

Sorry for that long rant.

I have not heard Stoned's thoughts on this, and I would like to here them.



Well, maybe if they weren't being hacked 24/7, they might have a chance, don't you agree? Or are they to blame for that as well?


I have known you long enough IMO to know that you are not :D


he gets things done at the expense of others? I can't argue that, true. Also, i do seem to recall the site now belonged to Stoned, care to clear that up? Maybe if he did things legitmatley, then maybe this site would be great. Unfortunatly, its not so.


Yes, let us ignore the Spell Editor made elsewhere, not that it matters anymore thansk to the new patch. Yes it's true, you guys have programs coming out the ears, but many might be obsolete soon. What then? (upcoming patch)


Bigger isn't better, just look at the old Floppy Disks. :) (not the 3 inch oens, the BIGGER ones silly)



Best site? That is no fact, but an opinion actually. Why is it the best? And if it is the best, then why be concerned about people going over to wc3modforge? Does this place genuinely fear competition?

Most pubilicity? I am sure nobody can name all the projects hosted here without looking at the hsoted projects right now. Great publicity when you have to compete for a handful of people who are still interested, and the interest is dying fast. I wonder why.

just imagine everyone in the world making a small wooden box. How could you possibly give your box publicity when everyone else is doing the same.

I am willing to bet most people didn't even know about CotD until this issue came up.


Then, to keep true to your rules, no project may be hosted anywhere else if it is hosted at wc3c. This includes, all projects, right? I sure hope you guys wouldn't want to make hypocrites out of yourselves.

Also, it wasn't a rule till Skull got involved, I believe. So CotD wasn't really breaking any rules when it was hosted at both places.


Intelligent Rants are ok in my book.



But here is a point nobody can argue with. CotD was being picked on because it was at the site that Skull had tried to get rid of. I wtinessed it firsthand, these ruthless methods you speak of. And it helps wc3c i guess, if nobody knows about it. Hopefully, that will change as things like this come up.

So then again, this is not aobut wc3c getting leeched. It is about this site fearing competition, and as it seems, Skull's personal hatred of a site that might actually pose a 'threat' to this grand dictatorship.

the forum equivalent of a nuclear bomb? anyway it's sad that just because of one incident most people on here think that modforge are a load of self-interested spammers, and no-one from camapigns ever did anything to modforge. if you want proof, go here . i'm not suggesting that this was done with admin approval, and it was only due to an admin being fooled rather than an actual security flaw, but dorelian still mass-pruned the forums using another account, and there's no excuse for that.

i don't think my post makes much sense, but...

You can bet that that link will soon be removed by an admin here. :bgrun:

The rule only extends to ModForge. In my opinion, they are much ruder than us. Heck, they banned me and Semptimaru for saying that the Blaster worm wasn't spread through b.net when Hollowman said so. Then when I came back they all assumed I was `Dorelian and started throwing large metal objects at me. Heck, some of their members even plotted the downfall of our site in their private staff forums. At least our members only plot theirs in IRC.

Um. what does barbie have to do with this whole issue? emote_sweat

P.S. nice fansite anyways :D