New Hosting Policy: Discussion and Complaints

I have a few complaints against the new hosting rule, which states: all projects hosted at wc3campaigns.com cannot have hosting at any other sites. I am formally protesting this rule and the way skull acted towards me about it. If an admin deletes this thread, it will be because they do not have a counter-argument.
i had originally wanted to keep this a discussion between the mods and admins, but i think its time for everyone else to see. The main conflict arises with my project Cult of the Damned, which was hosted here until today. I have hosting at wc3mf and refused to give it up, deciding to challenge this rule.

A few complaints against the rule against hosting at multiple sites:

1. It all started when Skull sent me this private message:
http://www.northsoftproductions.com/...llPM102603.jpg
my reply and then his response are here:
http://www.northsoftproductions.com/...02603final.jpg
2. Skull never told me of this rule when I requested hosting and there is no list of these site rules available to the public. Indeed, one of the most popular mods, “Return of the Dragons� has hosting at wc3sear.ch as well as wc3campaigns.com. wc3campaigns is lagging behind other wc3 modding sites in the fact that it does not allow multiple hosting. These are the policies of warcraftiii.net, one of the larges wc3 sites to date:
http://maps.warcraftiii.net/articles/hosting.php
Another site that allows multiple hosting is a huge mod database:
http://www.moddb.com/
It even has Space Hulk 40k, another anticipated project, hosted there.
There is no rule against hosting at multiple sites on wc3campaigns, and if there is then many projects are violating it.
3. The politics of various modding communities are becoming to overwhelming to the projects they host. The politics and mods should never come in conflict. Modding communities are made by moderators for the success of their projects and when the success of the project has been sacrificed for the politics of a site, the entire concept of a modding community is defied.

Since when has the rules of the site challenged the success and well-being of a mod, contradicting the very reason for which it was created? There is no reason to remove hosting for CotD or attempt to stifle a creative effort.


Irc chat with xttocs 5:58 pm, 10/27/03:
<Zurg> hey
<xttocs> hey
<Zurg> i got a question on hosting policy for wc3c
<xttocs> yea
<Zurg> is there any rule that you cannot have hosting at other sites while having hosting at wc3c?
<Zurg> i cant find anything on hosting policies
<xttocs> I don't know for sure
<Zurg> hmm
<Zurg> ok
<Zurg> skull is up to somethin
<xttocs> but I believe some of the other admins don't want you to be hosted on other sites
<xttocs> if that is what you mean
<Zurg> ok
<Zurg> yup
<Zurg> thats it
<Zurg> lol
<xttocs> you will have to talk to them
<Zurg> ok
<Zurg> so not all the admins are in agreement?
<xttocs> some don't care =P
<Zurg> ok
<Zurg> look at this pm skull sent me
<Zurg> http://www.northsoftproductions.com/...llPM102603.jpg
<Zurg> i m just wondering if its just my project hes going after or all projects with hosting at multiple sites
<xttocs> hosting at multiple sites
<Zurg> ?
<xttocs> he wants your project
<Zurg> oh
<xttocs> he wants you for wc3c
<Zurg> :)
<Zurg> ok and he doesnt want ******** to have it
<xttocs> take it as a compliment, skull's pm that is =)
<Zurg> heh i guess
<xttocs> you can talk to him about that
<Zurg> lol
<xttocs> I don't care anymore
<Zurg> i did
<Zurg> well do care
<Zurg> i gotta remove hosting from other sites which will hurt my mod
<Zurg> or if i lose wc3c it may hurt it just as much
<xttocs> your decision
<Zurg> ok
<Zurg> so there is no rule yet?
<Zurg> cause if there isnt i m going to go agaisnt it
<Zurg> anyway, please speak up against this rule
<Zurg> cause it will benefit the site but hurt modding
<Zurg> ok thnx for the help

From other IRC chats with different admins it seems as though cotd was attacked directly mainly for its hosting on wc3mf.

this is just an argument, and all i want is a formal debate. thnx. :D

Have you posted this before?

Well, anyhow, there's nothing anyone can do if it's an admin descision.

the admin decision can be reversed. I posted this in the moderator forum, but now its time to reveal whats going on to everyone else.

I quite agree. It's pretty "GOD" like to say all this **** about hosting at another site. You should be able to host anywhere you like..

Zurg is right!! I belive that if Skull has a prob with Wc3********, then thats his problem (I think that site is great!) And he shouldn't do anything to bring mods into it! Its a damn community! People should be getting along :foot: (I sound like a hippie don't I?) I mean, what did Wc3MF do to wc3campaigns? And even if it is bad, why the hell bring mods into it?

I posted my rant in the staff forum.

This really irritates me as well. But can we really do anything about it?

Skull is a dictator when it comes to his decisions. (Don't get me wrong, hes not a half-bad guy ;) ) but still, he should have at least given Zurg a few days to get his reviews, and other stuff from his forum copied to his comp.

Feel sorry for ya man

Seriously, it's ridiculous, this kind of thing in a big internet community. Plus how exacly would you know your hosting at another site, you have the time to go to their sites, browse around, looking at all the posts or something? Or you have some hack program that tells you :D

Now that question could be going somwhere.... How do they know they host other locations?????

Because they all have the link to the other site in their signature. ;)

wow, that question just died...........................................

Lol, yes that question did just die, but the issue has not. I dont feel that its right for anyone to not host your project because the mod forge is hosting it. I also dont feel that is right that M o d F o r g e is blcoekd out as one word... thats just outright rude. Its not like your competing for a customer base, you dont get any money out of it really. Since this is a communit we should all have equal access to all resources available which means getting hosted anywhere you want!

You've made an erroneous assumption, Zurg. warcraftiii.net doesn't explicitly prohibit multi-hosting, however the experience that I and Project ROR! had recently was damning.

I emailed Rush about our decision to take up hosting with wc3campaigns.com. Three days later, and with absolutely no warning (and still no response from Rush), our hosting with warcraftiii.net was abruptly and completely removed (site deleted, domain redirected, emails deleted, forum deleted). You can read more about that in our new forum here (that I'm too lazy to link to right now).

this policy seems like WC3C has become member greedy. Its kind of like choosing friends. its plain bs and wrong.

I agree with the rule.

A while back, when I used to make Kingpin mods, I was hosted at two sites, but neither liked the idea. I was threatened loss of hosting from both, so I chose the better one to side with. The one with more views per day and larger amount of forum action. Look at it from a business standpoint, and consider views revenue. You can see how it might offend one side if you try to ride both rails. Of course, when I was working on Kingpin mods, it was a matter of real money because they had advertisements up the *** on both sites.

Life's tough.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find that you can get what you need.