Anime attempt 2!!

I... your lord and master, do believe that you need to get back on topic.

icbm1987

oops well, the US (at least where i live) has sort of stolen your poutine (unless the sauce is really distinctive) take away the sauce and you got cheese fries. Add chili you got something better.... CHILI CHEESE FRIES (creative, isnt it)

and Carebear, if you think drawing from life is unrelated to anime, you are so terribly wrong. True it is possible to be a good anime artist without an ability to draw from life, it is most certainly your ally. If you can get a realistic base, it is easy to morph it into what you need, whatever style you enjoy. The reverse is not true.

LEARN FROM LIFE AND APPLY IT TO YOUR ANIME. This will improve your drawing greatly.

how u know if ur good at life drawing jst curious... o.o

you americans! you stole and modified slightly our poutine! freedom fries... now this cheese fries!? waaa lol

Icbm, tone the "I'm finally a mod wakakaka" down.

Seriously guys... you should stay on the topic of drawing.

And I don't think that americans stole "poutine"... we use cheddar... not the other white/blue cheeses.

Anime is still based on real proportion... it's better to learn the basic human shape... and then learn to draw anime. The better anime like Betterman, Evangelion, etc. have good proportions. {finishes thought}

icbm1987

The kind of cheese doesn't matter.

Anime uses proportions (duh!) jst less detail and finer. Like muscles and stuff... faces are way simpler than western comic style. Some anime artists distort proportions for visual splendour which might or not be good but is a particular aspect of some anime drawings that have weird appealing anatomy styles. Anime is more of a expressive art than western comic who the emotions easily depicted are anger, astonishment, fear (my opinion ^^ no offence anime-haters). Anime expressions (the stupid ones too) are much more passionate and deep (my opinion again :p). But knowing reallistic arts is a good thing of course. And this is jst a coincidence or jst me thinking weirdly (both probably)...
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I started watchin cartoons again (other than Futurama, Simpsons, Family Guy) and compared this... X-Men evolution lacks depth compared to Teen Titans... waat!!? you say... X-Men only has complicated quests... while the characters in teen offer much more depth and personality and the fact that x-men has childish love crap makes it not so good. blaH! TT's story also sumtimes go in psychology, love :,/ , and more emotions than X-men... who is more anger, revenge and sum weird mutant and even though might be complicated... never goes too much into emotions. Im not making any sense... lol
In conclusion, TT>Xmen mwah! anime rox too. d(T.T)"

aye, you guys say that 'oooo anime has eyes covering half their face and its so not real!'

all i hafta say is - look at charlie brown's head, the dancing beagle, simpson's proportions, baby blues (<---dunno where that came from) and lots of other cartoons, now those eyes REALLY cover half the face

and drawing from real life helps alot, for example, poses, designs, objects and such, HANDS...

Anime and Western Cartoons cater to two completely different audiances and cultures, cultures which focus more deeply on different aspects of man. Western Cartoons tend to lean more heavily on action, adventure, and violence while skirting deep human interaction and any allusion to real sexuality. This reflects deeply the christian upbringing of the vast majority of the west, and to a greater extent, the puritan roots of America. Western life tends to try to keep private and isolated the urges of man and the relationships that a person has with another person.

Anime, originating in the East, has grown out a completely different culture. Though action is an important part of the Anime style, it is usually more abstract, lacking much of the gore that pervades throughout western comics. Unlike the Western population, the Japanese have a far greater tolerance and appereciation for the realistic, sometimes unclean nature of man. It is not uncommon to see nudity in a child's comic, for, in the East, nudity is seen as part of everyday life. Nudity is not always implied sexualy, but can be used as a tool to provide situational comedy.

The differences in Anime and Western Cartooning arise from completely different cultures with vastly different tolerances. You can not say that one is deeper than another, because it is our own perception and understanding of the material that determines our own abilty to gain insight from that material.

All this said, I prefer anime, because i enjoy seeing the relationships of the people and the openess of the style as a whole.

For ontopicness sake, Carebear, study anatomy. Go to the Sticky at the top of the forum that has all the links to Art you can use as a reference. Draw some of it and post it with the reference. In this way, we can REALLY critique your work and give you ways in which to improve. In fact, this is such a good idea that im going to do it myself. Tomorrow. Its late (1:00 - 2:00 AM) and i have to go to bed.

Philisophical discussions regarding Cartoons

actually, what i think, all cartoons follow the same porportion dealie and stuff like that. but with some modifications. and it depends on how you look at it.

if you look at the simpsons, i'd say its still in porpotion, yea the eye's are big when staring a 3/4 view but if you can imagine it, er hmmm... i remember having to do this in geometry, but imagine how the back view would be like and everything. its still in porportion. er... that is not including all the other cartoons. cause there are some exeptions like steward or something like that from family guy.

and then there's style.

i cant say much about anime, cuz to tell you the truth, i haven't really got into it, ironically.

seen only 2 gundam movies (char's counter attack, F-91)
the whole series of trigun. actually i havent seen the whole series but i could if i want to cuz i got the box set as a gift.
and only about 10 episodes of hellsing where i still dont understand the story line but yea.

but for all i know, anime is mianly based on facial expression. while western cartoonism is based on alot of words and speech, which i like more cuz they put it in words that i can at least understand, well, at least the simpons.

and yea!

do what carrigon said, learn anatomy and er.... (did i really take teh time to learn anatomy!?)

and porpotions. stick figures helped me out for a long shot.

and Candy: you think watching those cartoons are bad, ever since the start of summer, i started watching Ozzy and Drix and Static Shock. its great how there's only one black super hero that is not the sidekick. (no the greenlantern was orginally a white guy)

rofl, your right, and death, your people's eyes are like... half anime, and it looks it too

stick figures are good, not the crappily made 1st grade ones but the ones with shoulders and pelvises

I have seen many beginning artists draw in the anime or manga style. There is nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but there are inherent problems with replicating a stylized form of artwork.

You must understand that most of the professional and succesful artists in that genre are very knowledgeable about the human form, and can make informed decisions as to the stylization of any proportions. They can do so knowing fully well the effect it will have on the portrayal of the character implied by the drawing. They have more than likely made a concentrated study of the human form, and have years of experience of drawing from life.

For anybody wanting to draw anime, I cannot stress enough the importance of drawing from life and acquiring a better knowledge of the human form. One cannot expect to properly grow if one does not follow a path that is condusive to one's learning experience. By redrawing an anime character, the proper connections are not being made in your brain. You can even master the style and learn how to originally apply it to your own original creations, but if you don't understand what is going on behind the scenes, your work could stagnate. Studying the human form from life gives you an inferred insight when you are drawing, and does not impose limits and bounds on your work.

To put it in an analogical context, think of the medieval scribes who copied books by hand. They didn't know how to read, and didn't understand a word of what they were transcribing. They memorized what each of the letters looked like, and dilligently copied them in the order that they appeared in the source book. They were not rewriting anything, but were simply copying pictures of what they saw. You can imagine the difficulty and absurdity involved with this, and apply it to your own situation, if you think it is applicable.

Don't get me wrong, for I do like the style when it is carried out properly. A great deal of my favorite artists are from China, Korea, and Japan. I watch and enjoy many of the more mature and higher-quality anime productions. In this forum, there are several members whose work in that genre is very impressive and commendable.

The last thing I want to do is discourage anybody from drawing. I know that there are many people who like anime and manga, and simply want their artwork to coincide with their interests. Why, there couldn't be a more natural thing! However, I think anybody would find more success in their endeavours if they supplemented their current drawing routine with life studies. Do not stop drawing anime or manga if that is not your desire, but set some time aside for drawing from life. As you do so, you may gain insights that you can apply to your preferred style of drawing. You will gain confidence in your abilities, and can make decisions that you know will be more informed. You will see yourself improve, and everybody will be better off for it.


And poutine is the sustenance of choice.

woa! 3 pages lol didnt ever expected that, well thx for the replies i guess... anyway im working on Saboera colorization, got a bit lazy, i discovered Cep (community expansion pack) for Neverwinter Night and im now abdicted on the Lord of Darkness Mods, ill finish soon

poop... now i gotta draw people and stuff... lol ^^

i will set out and draw the park!
*looks at people with weird eyes* O.O bwahahaha!

Hehe i got an alternate way man just tell me and ill scan the both crazy anatomy book i just bought, so detailed, one of them is a school book strange there was only one, i was tired of searching for my H pencil i bought another one, got a wooden mannequin and a circle stencil, like i said if any of of you want to see that just tell me...

so much money to waste... grr

my parents see a anime drawing with a girl wearing not much and having big breast is like the end of da world :(...

like i said before, you dont use manakins, you use pictures off the net (its free), you dont use stencils, you use your hand and skills

and candy, when my parents see lanky clothing and big breasts, my dads like "its all part of growing up" and my moms like "is that your future girlfriend?"
(final fantasy 10-2 btw)