Disappointed with the moderation

Well, congrats for your victory, however ....

I feel offended ... this spell bugs and still it got approved ? I mean no offense at all, I also like the idea, but my spells don't bug and they are not approved no either moved here even when they are already approved ...

I feel a lot disappointed with the moderation around here, seriously, it sucks lately.

That is not how this works. If it is "bugged," please report how it is bugged and I will harass Szythe to fix it. When I tested the spell in the contest, it did not bug at all or perform out of the ordinary, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Follow this link for more information about why this was approved. Here, let me quote it for you anyways.
We were performing an experiment to see if we could force submissions to the database and thus reward a contest with approval. Therefore, in order to comply with contest rules (Something Vex and I were aware of when we discussed the rules associated with the contest), this spell gets automatically approved since it won.

Please, I would request that you investigate further before making such spiteful remarks against the staff over pure envy.

Is this a joke !?
I knew you would give such an answer and in fact I predicted this scenario with time.
Just go the to spells submission you will see I posted a bug that was quite ignored ...

Again a weak argument I predicted as well when making my post.
You see, I do NOT envy the winner. Sure I would like to win the contest, but my submission was in second place with high score and I feel very happy for it.
However you may say "That is crap, you are just saying that because you have interest in making people think you don't care". You are wrong. You see, the only reason why I submit spells is so I can make publicity of my map.
If my spells suck, people will associate this idea with my map, and there fore people won't play it.
So I have bigger interest in being honest about my work around here. If I honestly though my spell (or Themerions spell) were inferior to this spell, I wouldn't make this post at all, I would have just say "Congrats for the competitive challenge, I almost won, but you made it" or something like that.

Now, RD, you know I am a great admirer of you, but now it is I who asks for some investigation before you start making assumptions about my person.
And yes, I have many reasons to believe the staff is becoming more of a ghost and an ideal than something useful.... just go to the submit-resources section and you will understand why by reading some of my posts...

Also, your quote about the rules does not answer my question: Why are not the other submissions moved to this section as well, if they are ALREADY APPROVED or if they have greater quality ? (PS, I don't talk only about my code ...)

Or you could repost it and bring it up again (It's so easy to miss a post) instead of telling the staff how disappointed you are in them.
What? What you quoted wasn't even an argument, it was a statement of observation obtained by reading your first post. You're raving, man, calm down!

Next Point Quote: Originally Posted by Flame_Phoenix You see, I do NOT envy the winner. Sure I would like to win the contest, but my submission was in second place with high score and I feel very happy for it. Then you need to work on your communication skills, since the following perfectly says that you are indeed envious that your own work wasn't approved immediately and his was. (For a totally different reason, mind you) Quote: Originally Posted by Flame_Phoenix I feel offended ... this spell bugs and still it got approved ? I mean no offense at all, I also like the idea, but my spells don't bug and they are not approved no either moved here even when they are already approved ... Case in point, sir.

Totally Off Topic Quote: Originally Posted by Flame_Phoenix You see, the only reason why I submit spells is so I can make publicity of my map. The only reason I submit anything is for the community to prosper from it and to help out. I could care less how popular my maps are, I update them for the people who enjoy them and for no other reason. Now tell me, who has the more noble cause? One who wants nothing but popularity, or the one who cares nothing for it? Please, do not preach to me on this topic, you are no more qualified to speak on the regard as any of us, myself included.

So you're saying, let me assume for a second, that objectively your spell is superior in all regards to this one. Let me ask then why this one won the contest? Is the public retarded? If that's the reason, then that makes me retarded for voting for him. I think of all of the entries, this was the best, and I say that as a player and a coder.

That isn't even the reason this was approved though. I linked in my last post to the contest rules that state clearly that the winner of the contest will have his entry automatically entered into the spells database. It cannot get any more clear than that, regardless of review, the spell gets approved. It was an experiment, and I think it worked meh to not badly. I probably won't do it again in the future, though, I like the submission format I used for contest #10 the best.

I have freakin' NINETEEN HOUR DAYS at uni/work, dude. I do not have access to a computer with WC3 and am not qualified to review anything that has vJass in it beyond basic struct/scope/library/etc. usage. Why do you think I was fired from Development Director, dude, I'm nothing special when it comes to anything. I'm just a guy that likes to post using as best of spelling & grammar as I know how. That's it.

Now, as much as I'd like to force people to review stuff when they're likely nearly as busy as I am, I cannot. No one donates any money to this site, nor do we ask that you donate anything to us. The point I'm making is that we don't get anything out of this at all, we as the staff don't make money, nothing, hell, we actually lose time as a result of having these positions. It's the lack of appreciation such as you're displaying that demotivates us to do anything. Try respecting the fact that we're human beings and that we have lives, then we'll respect the fact that you've submitted stuff we have to review, end of story.

Because I moved those submissions to the pastebin for the moment to conserve space in the resource submissions forum. I will move them back when submissions clears up a bit, and they will be approved/disapproved from there.

I can't post it right now but I will look for it soon.
You may be a good coder, but your skills in the observation of human behavior could be better.
I don't envy the winner, and in fact you seem to have trouble accepting it.
I am not envious my work was not approved, because it IS APPROVED by Moyack. I just do NOT understand and don't think it is fair to leave my work to ignorance when it should be in the JESP resources section.
I am frustrated not because I lost, but because I feel something is not fair here, and this is the message I've been trying to teel you all along from the start. You just couldn't give me a valid reason for your acts regarding my work so far.
I don't want popularity, I just want people to know my work exists. You don't have that problem, every one already knows you and maps you did are known as well, I still have to earn my reputation and that respect you have, and currently I believe you are making that harder for me to reach.
I am not saying mine was the best, I am saying there were better spells that still didn't get approved. And this is not the best coded spell, not by far. Besides the public did not care about the code, the majority of it only cares about effects and we both know that most people who voted didn't know a single line of vJASS.
And no I am not calling you retarded, don't assume things I didn't say.
I respect the publics opinion (and so I respect yours) and that's is why I don't feel bad for losing.

I don't have time to read and reply to the rest, I will do so later and I will try finding the bug that was left ignored...

Outbursts like this don't exactly help..

Don't speak so much in extremes; just because the public put more weight to how cool and original a spell is than how well it's coded does not mean they don't care about coding. A spell is far more than just code, and good code does not alone make it a good spell.

That is to say, just because a spells coding is slightly "cleaner"/more robust etc., does not mean that spell is therefore "better".

Well, Flame, your post leans more toward a personal rant against me as opposed to a general distaste for the staff. So please, PM me if you want to continue this discussion, it doesn't belong here. (Or if you prefer the following reason, I simply refuse to partake of it here)

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Did it ever occur to you that the mods are actual people with real lives. They don't get paid to moderate and they aren't motivated alot to do so. The best thing to do is just be patient.

Wait, here, I have an idea. Let's be normal men, and bottle up our emotions and such. There's no reason to be fighting about something like this. The system is not corrupt, it is only broken, which means it is the same broken system for everyone.

Really, we have *vast* human resources in this site. Very amazing people that do very amazing things. Let's try not to scare them away by screaming at them.

I just read over this and that bomber spell, is it because someone "stole" a concept?

This was in Szythes spell from the last spell session originally.

Ah, I see how it ties in now.

Well, to be honest you'll never find 100% accurate results wherever you go and sometimes things pass through. So long as the problem is found and fixed, it really does not matter all that much. It would be a problem if, say Moyack's (?) Parabolic Movement function became a standard and nobody ever fixed it and everyone wondered why their missiles went in weird shapes.

The fact is that we, as humans, make mistakes and we are also capable of finding and fixing them. It's a fact we have to embrace.

EDIT!
Oh right the Spell Contest. Well it's done and over with and it's a CONTEST, it's not about who's cleanest, who's strongest or who's fastest. It's about who can put it altogether and in this case impress everyone. As it goes, people have varied opinions and since these are people's opinions and you're asking why you didn't win, you're basically asking "WHY DON'T PEOPLE LIKE ME MORE THAN HIM?" effectively.

Ohh yes!!! but don't worry, the previous version just rise the projectile a little bit higher, that's all. :)

QFT

And Flame... calm down please... Szythe is very good at spell ideas, you're still learning and that's what matters now. This thread is simply putting you into a bad position.

what?

It is so naive to think a piece of software is bugless, no bugs on your spells were found YET.

The truth is I specifically commanded the staff to ignore your bug reports I also specifically told them not to approve your spells.

I think he might be complaining about an even lesser idea than all of you think.

He's pissy because his spell wasn't IMMEDIATELY moved to the JESP spells section, even though it was approved.

If that's the situation, then stop whining! If it's approved, it will get there soon.