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A buff without icon ?

10-26-2008, 04:29 PM#1
Troll-Brain
I know we can't add buffs directly to an unit, we must use an ability which own the buff.

It seems the auras abilities are fine for that.
I can use the same based ability with a different buff (based on the same or not).
But if i add a buff to an ability with no icon, then i got the default icon.

Any way to solve this problem ?

EDIT : Hmm sorry wrong forum, plz redirect in General Development.
10-26-2008, 04:41 PM#2
zen87
actually i did some crazy experiment about buffs in the past

try making an acid bomb with, lets say 10 levels
- for each level, give a different buff (with differnt buff id) to it
- make sure the ability lasts for like 10 second (long enough to notice)
- make a dummy caster and cast the spell, starting from level 1, then wait 1 second, cast level 2, wait 1 second, cast level 3, and so on... on the same unit...

you'll notice the acid bomb buff goes on and off but the unit remained slowed!

i have no idea why this happens... discovered long ago but not really predictable, sometimes the buff remains and some times it dont...
10-26-2008, 04:44 PM#3
Troll-Brain
Hmm well it doesn't really help me :p
Many know that edit a field in object editor may success or totally fail.
Btw Blizzard said it shouldn't be the same with Starcraft 2.
10-26-2008, 06:11 PM#4
dead_or_alivex
Why would you want a buff without an icon, if you're using a standard buff/aura? If you're triggering the spell, simply leave out the buff. If you're not, you have no use for other buffs/auras other than the spell's itself, anyway. Correct me if I'm not getting you.

Perhaps you could use a marker ability, like Sphere (if that's what you're looking for)? That one has no icon, and could be used as a suitable triggered 'buff'.
10-26-2008, 06:32 PM#5
Troll-Brain
Because you can't triggered all buffs.
For example tell me how add defense to an unit without an ability.

Actually i can make an ability with a no icon buff, but it takes one case like a normal buff, and we can read the text if we place the mouse over it.
10-26-2008, 11:50 PM#6
Pyrogasm
Use "black32.blp" as the texture for the buff icon and then hope that nobody mouses over the tooltip. That's the best you can do.

I think I also read somewhere that if you make the tooltip consist of a ridiculous amount of spaces and |n breaks, then it might not appear when moused over. It's worth a shot.
10-27-2008, 12:11 AM#7
Anitarf
Quote:
But if i add a buff to an ability with no icon, then i got the default icon.
I really don't understand what you're trying to do. You want a buff, yet you don't want it to show an icon? The whole point of buffs is to show icons.
10-27-2008, 12:58 AM#8
Fledermaus
Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll-Brain
Because you can't triggered all buffs.
For example tell me how add defense to an unit without an ability.

?
10-27-2008, 03:39 AM#9
fX_
To make the aura buff have no icon in the status bar, highlight its 'icon' field, press shift+enter then input "_". Empty the 'extended tooltip' and input ONLY a space in the 'normal tooltip' field. The buff will have no icon; BUT it can be scrolled over and it will show a small empty text box.

edit: o and all abilities involved must have only 1 level. otherwise, the buff tooltip will display "Level: xx".

also, most item abilities - those not based-off non-item abilities - show no icons and buffs.
10-27-2008, 04:39 AM#10
dead_or_alivex
Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll-Brain
Because you can't triggered all buffs.
For example tell me how add defense to an unit without an ability.
Item Armour Bonus? For armour specifically. I know some buffs really cannot be made, in which case you could either make the buff tooltip fully visible and conspicuous, or try to hide it as the above posters have suggested.
10-27-2008, 04:17 PM#11
Troll-Brain
@Pyrogasm :
Ok but the icon still take a place, no ?

@Antiquities :
The armor was just an example so Litany's system is not the solution.

@fX_ :
So i will ckeck about item abilities

Thx for the answers.
10-27-2008, 07:27 PM#12
Kyrbi0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrogasm
Use "black32.blp" as the texture for the buff icon and then hope that nobody mouses over the tooltip. That's the best you can do.

I think I also read somewhere that if you make the tooltip consist of a ridiculous amount of spaces and |n breaks, then it might not appear when moused over. It's worth a shot.
Oh cool. I've always tried making a black-icon from the command card, but it showed up when it was in-cooldown. :/

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Not sure if this is what you're looking for Troll-Brain, but have you thought of using a disabled spellbook? (oh wait, that's for hiding passive abilities, not buffs...)
10-27-2008, 09:30 PM#13
Anitarf
Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll-Brain
The armor was just an example so Litany's system is not the solution.
Care to give us an example that's more relevant to what you're trying to do?