Lore Discuss - UD + Forsaken shizzle

Continued from the "Hero Contest 3 - Discussion Topic; sorry Dusk. :P

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Good. I was joking, BTW. It's just as if someone came to you claiming the Orcs were the ancestors of humans; you'd question their sanity. :P

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No.
The Forsaken are an offshoot of the Scourge. They are Undead, and broke off from the Undead.

Timeline-Time! Stop me if you think I'm wrong, I dare ya! :P
- Burning Legion decided to "tenderize" the world of Azeroth by engineering the Scourge.
- Kil'jaedan "made" the Lich King, who in turn mentally dominated/made plague/psychically enslaved people/creatures == Created the Scourge on Azeroth (the continent + world).
~Reign of Chaos campaign goes on...~
~Frozen Throne, Episode 1~
- Arthas/Kel'thuzad/Sylvanas are playing Keep-Away with the straggling Human survivors trying to run away.
- Lich King (due to earthquakes caused by Illidan + Eye of Sargeras) has cracked, power is leaking out, and thus HIS CONTROL OVER SCOURGE IS WEAKENING (<- major plot point, BTW)
- Arthas runs to Northrend to save Lich King, Kil'jaedan plays Mommy in Lordaeron, while SYLVANAS EXERCISES HER NEWFOUND MENTAL FREEDOM and RALLIES HER TROOPS.
~FT, Episode 2 (? or 3?)~
Arthas barely makes it out of the city alive, but SYLVANAS (NOW IN CONTROL OF HER OWN MIND) AMBUSHES HIM AND ALMOST KILLS HIM.
~blah blah blah, FT episodes, Anub'arak, not important, etc~
- Sylvanas takes her group and tries to solidify her hold on Lordaeron; fights the triple-council of Dreadlords + gets Varimathras
- Kills Detheroc + gets Garithos
- Kills Balnazzar with Garithos' help, then stabs him in the back (using Varimathras).
~End cutscene of "kill balnazzar" level!!~
- SYLVANAS STANDS AMIDST THE WRECKAGE OF BALNAZZAR'S BASE (i.e. Lordaeron) AND PRONOUNCES HER AND HER ARMY FREE FROM THE SCOURGE, AND HENCEFORTH KNOWN AS FORSAKEN.

iF THE eMPHAS... Oops, Caps Lock was on... If the emphasis wasn't enough, let me further emphasize the word "Henceforth" in the last line.

Served?


Maybe "spam" is the wrong word. But I don't think it's necessarily right for a big "group topic" (i.e. one that has to do with a large(r) group of users) shouldn't be dominated by the debate of only 2.

If you're only going to have it with him, it should be a PM and I will lock this.

Well, anyone is welcome to join in, but it was really about just one point of lore, so I don't know how valid that is.

I guess, can you change the topic title (remove the "w/ Flame_Phoenix"), please?

--EDIT--
Epic Fix'd.

In the wake of Illidan's failed attempt to melt the icy continent of Northrend, the powerful energies possessed by the Lich King inside his Frozen Throne slowly began to decay. Inexorably this resulted in a partial loss of control of the more distant Scourge forces. The result was that many undead under the Lich King's mental domination had their conscious will restored. Their spirits and memories were somehow returned to their undead bodies.

Kyrbio wins.

Kil'jedan made the litch king. not sargeras. sageras is dead but his soul is in medhiev's staff which Kel'thezud is looking for.

Oh, my bad. See, I knew Sargeras didn't sound right, but I went along with it. First Post Edited.

Also, "yes" Sargeras is dead, but IIRC, he implanted his soul into Aewyn (sp?), the Guardian before Medivh (and his mother), and became incorporated into Medivh himself when he was born. (This connection between them allowed him (Sarg.) to take over for a period, making Medivh construct the first (few?) Portals to Draenor and let in the Orcs, originally).

Is the "staff that Kel'thuzad's looking for" from WoW?

Shouldn't this be in the good ol' lore forum?: http://www.wc3campaigns.net/forumdisplay.php?f=620

Woah, I don't think I've ever even seen that board... Too bad it's mostly dead, I love lore. :/

Yeah, you're probably right :P. I was just rushed, and threw it together before Dusk could delete the post. If any Admin wants to move this to a more appropriate location, that's alright.

Just to clarify a few things:

• Aegywnn was the second last Guardian of Tirisfal. She travlled to Northrend to defeat the fallen titan Sargeras. Little did she know that after she defeated him, that he had possessed her body, he wasn't acting, but waiting.
• Magus Medivh, the Last Guardian was born. The spirit of Sargeras moved into his body upon birth, and as he grew older, the titan eventually took over his body and opened the portal to Draenor with the help of Gul'Dan.
• Medivh's staff, Atiesh is a legendary staff in WoW that is no longer achievable as Naxx 40 man is removed. The staff itself never had anything to do with Sargeras.

Kel'Thuzad wasn't really ever looking for Atiesh, as far as I know.

And that's that, I hope this clarified a few things for you.

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Oh and once more, there were no Forsaken on Northrend at the time of the undead campaign of TFT.