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Consider This before Posting skins

05-31-2003, 07:10 PM#1
DaemonKillar
1. You are posting your skins in order to receive criticism(constructive), so if your skin lacks quality, don't be mad if it's getting a little picked on and is not appreciated.

2. Do not post TGAs or BLPs of your skin, we won't even bother watching it. people are lazy about this and so am I. Post an in-game screenshot of the result. There are tons of tutorials explaining how to implement your skin in a map, anyone can do it.

3. Learn from the criticism you receive. If you've been told over a hundred times to shade your skin and you haven't yet understood, then you've got a problem. Wether try to find a new hobby or stop posting in here.

4. Let's make it clear once and for all: Unshaded skins ain't worth crap, so please don't post that kind of thing. How hard is it to use the burn/dodge tool?

5. Let's make another thing clear: reskins and recolors.
Recolor: To change the colors of a skin without modifying anything (30 seconds work, rarely good)
Reskin: To make a new skin starting from scratch.(This is what this forum is all about actually)
C'n'P': To take parts of a skin and put it on another (30 seconds work too, worthless)
Anyone can recolor or C'n'P', try and be more innovative and make something new out of an existing model!

6. Don't make totally blurry skins where we can barely recognize anything on it. First: it's not good. Second: how do you want us to find positive points to it?

7. Good skins are added to the staff's favorites, so do your best if you want your work to be recognized. Recolors and CnPs are definitely not going to be accepted.


P.S. I can understand not everyone is good at skinning, but some have the will to persevere. To them, I say continue to improve and someday your work might be added to the staff's favorites. On the other hand, some have done over a hundred skins and no signs of amelioration were found. To them, I say stop wasting our time and wasting the site's bandwidth if you,re a desperate case


Thank you for considering this.


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Please sticky this post.
05-31-2003, 08:09 PM#2
DEMANUFACTURE
this should be stickied
05-31-2003, 08:59 PM#3
Kiether
Quote:
Originally posted by DEMANUFACTURE
this should be stickied


done!

u just saved me time writing this :P thank u!
06-01-2003, 08:54 AM#4
alpengeist36
Quote:
Originally posted by DaemonKillar
On the other hand, some have done over a hundred skins and no signs of amelioration were found. To them, I say stop wasting our time and wasting the site's bandwidth if you,re a desperate case


That's just mean. Some ppl (who only have done a few skins) will class themselves in this category (when they aren't) and quit. I think everyone should skin if they enjoy it, even if they will never be any good.
06-01-2003, 09:53 AM#5
rav3n
not really.

the only ppl who never get better is the ppl who only CnP and recolor. if you really try to skin, you'll get better sooner or later!
06-01-2003, 12:39 PM#6
DaemonKillar
The thing is that I've seen people that posted about 50 skins and the same problem came over and over again from one skin to another. People ask for feedback but barely listen to it, which is kind of the whole point in this gallery.

I agree it is a little rude, but it's been discussed plenty of times and it had to be mentioned.

Peace:D
06-13-2003, 06:38 PM#7
PhAtTiM89
Quote:
Originally posted by DaemonKillar
The thing is that I've seen people that posted about 50 skins and the same problem came over and over again from one skin to another. People ask for feedback but barely listen to it, which is kind of the whole point in this gallery.

I agree it is a little rude, but it's been discussed plenty of times and it had to be mentioned.

Peace:D


are u talking about me?
06-21-2003, 11:43 PM#8
supercowmaster
when you say recolor im kinda confused for instance if you just make a blade master blue thats a recolor right but if you lets sat..... add armore and change the sword thats not changeing the maodel just color so is that a recolor
06-25-2003, 02:35 PM#9
rav3n
if you actually draw something new on the skin, it's not a recolor anymore...
07-02-2003, 04:19 AM#10
Triceron
Okay, first off I'm pretty much against the idea of recolors. We've seen em all before, we know how to do it and there's very little freshness to the skin itself. There is very little skill involved besides choosing the right colors. I wouldn't discount all skill however since choosing the right colors in itself is an important part of learning good colour theory. If you just change the skin color of a unit, you have to find the right complimenting colors of clothing to match as well, not just make everything flat "Red" or flat "Green". Most people are too inexperienced to know otherwise however, and thus make really bad recolors.

Reskin is a step up, but not always the case of being better. Not all reskins are good. At the same time, not all people who do reskins will get better at what they do. Everyone has their own preferred style, and when someone is making models specifically for War3 and use their own method of skinning, often times that skin won't fit into War3. If the skin in question was done in MSpaint and the skinner continues using MSpaint to do the skins, they will never achieve a quality above a set standard. If dodge and burn is all someone uses in their skins, they will never improve in making better looking skins beyond a certain point. Skinning is an artform, and practicing the wrong methods will ultimately lead to a slow progress.

As for Cut and Paste, IMO this is the best method for learning skinners. Most peopoe who start out skinning have little or no artistic experience at all. By using CnP methods, these people can potentially learn to become more influenced by Blizzard's art style and use of colour. Now this isn't to say that all a skin should be is cut and paste, but you would learn much more about what it takes to have a skin looking good AND looking like it would fit in War3 than say the skinner who uses no reference and makes a skin from scratch.

Also, if a Cut and Paste is done tastefully and the skin looks good, I think it should be passable. It doesn't matter if it's considered cheating or not as long as it looks good. It's not the process, but the product. The only reason CnP and recolors look so bad is because we in the community have seen so many bad recolors in the past. CnP and recolors should be done tastefully and with at least some sense of aesthetics.
09-07-2003, 08:47 AM#11
Doomsandwich
Hi, I can pretty much skin ok, but with the program I'm using, there is no dodge/burn tool anyway. Is it ok? I do try to make skins good. So if you see a bad skin, we should be trying to help the person.
09-29-2003, 04:59 PM#12
Ekkruker
Ive got a bootleg of Photoshop 5.0... Does anyone want to buy me the new version?
10-31-2003, 12:32 AM#13
evilwolf
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Originally posted by Ekkruker
Ive got a bootleg of Photoshop 5.0... Does anyone want to buy me the new version?


just download a newer bootleg version off of KAZZER (kazza, its what my friends call it because some redneck came to school complaining about how the MP3 Police(RIAA) caught him downloading things of it)

thats what i did *EDIT: NOT* do >:D

:thrust: