New Original Map

Okay, the original map is a ww3 map, but before you dismiss it as one of those messed up gold mining ww3 maps let me elaborate on it. It is realisitic and **really could happen**.

It's going to take place in 2030-2040. The European Union (EU), continues to prosper as it does, gaining more and more european countries into it. In about 2020 all of Europe (except the UK) are in the EU. Over the next 10 years the EU combines from seperate countres in the loose union into one massive country made up of different states (the states being the former countries). For a few reasons (im short of time so ill edit this in later), the EU pulls out of the United Nations, and soon after the United States does too. The EU rivals the United States pretty much every aspect. The United States and the UK now fight WW3 against the EU.

Also, the first thing that will come to your mind is, "what about Nukes and other WMDs?"

The answer to that is:
Even today the United States is developing an anti nuke missle defense system. By the 2030s they will be deployed in both Europe and the United States, thus making nukes almost pointless. But if you destroy all of the anti nuclear weapon missle defense systems in either side then you can use nukes, though it will be hard to destroy these.

EDIT: More Info:
Money will be gotten by building next to beacons which will be posistioned near major cities. Oil will be a key to this map. There will be oil fields where oil fields actually are and oil (which will be lumber) is needed to make things that require oil such as tanks, planes, ships, etc.
Im thinking of two US players, 1 east coast 1 west coast, and 1 UK player on one team. And the other team will probably be divided into either N. Europe, S. Europe, E. Europe, and W. Europe, or just N. Europe, E. Europe, W. Europe, in which case eastern and western europe will take up where souther europe would be.

**About the actual terrain though, I'm thinking just North America (land maybe a little bit of central) on the left side of map, and Europe and top of africa on the other side of the map. This a good idea, or would the whole world be better?

**Also i'm thinking of putting in specific trigger invasions of key points

I would really want comments on the 2 things with starts next to them.
Ideas are also welcome.

Thanks,
JoeJoe

Are you going to do new models?

It sounds like a nice idea, and if you did it well enough I know I'd play it.

Good luck.

Theres gonna be skins and models, but im gonna try to keep the size down as low as possible cuz its gonna be a bnet map and i dont want teh download time to take forever.

Sounds very interesting to me. Almost civilizations-esuqe(the Starcraft map that is).

this is where it will probably take place, there might be a little more middle east in it, but thats the general location.
its basically N. American and Europe, but heres a pic, and ignore the green thing, it came with the map :ggani:
(Part circled in red)

JoeJoe you get my PM?

Interesting...needs a lot of new models and skins though...

By the way, the UK is in the EU...is it supposed to pull out (that may happen!)?

@Setreal:
Yes, i got the PM and i PM'ed you back.

@CaptainGriffen:
The UK is in the EU right now only because they want the no tariff (trade tax) to increase their economy. Plus, with the UK being the US's closest ally and all, I'm gonna keep the UK w/ the US.

Other than this, I'm still thinking about who will be on who's side and who will be netraul. By this I mean other countries that will be shown on the map. Mexico + Canada are going to be with the US because of a treaty im making up (sumthing like the NADA (North American Defense Alliance) or sumthing like that.) But the countries im thinking about are the big guys who arent on an obvious side like Russia and the Middle Eastern countries. Though with "Operation Iraqi Freedom", I'll probably have Iraq allied to the US which will be important for the stertegic oil. These little countries such as Canada/Mexico/Iraq (no offense to anyone who lives in these countries) will probably be controlled by one of E. US, W. US, or the UK. I'm still working out these details in my head, though any comments on these are welcome.

New info (as of12/17/03)
ive been searching around and ive got 12 new skins/models, ill probably post a few screen shots of the terrain (part circled in red i posted a few posts ago) this weekend. Suggestions, comments, questions, are still welcome.

Thanks,
JoeJoe

well we dont have to use InterContanental Ballistic Missles(ICBM) to deliver our nukes. we can get low tech was like terrorism for example. get a guy to check into a paris hotel with a little nuke in his briefcase, plant it in the couch cusion(or an easy to place object that wont get found easly), and run like ****. for nutral countrys are you going to use a real life way were any country can enter/leve it but cant fire engage in battle in it? well cant wait for pics:gsmile:

About Neutral Countries:
How its gonna work is if you can walk near them then and such without being shot (meaning you are allied then), but if:
1. You go too far into their boarders with planes or they will take it as an act of war and declare war on you (meaning that the remaining nations in the UN that is falling apart after EU and USA leave, will entirely delcare war on you)
2. If you attack them (since your allied it cant be by accident becasuse you will need to click attack and click on their unit to attack them before

Keep in mind it's going to be very very dumb to attack neutral people unless you are very prepared, because they will be allying the other person (if u attack as EU they ally USA, if u attack as USA they ally EU completely, vision and all) and it will be a very big move because they other person will have many somewhat safe landing spots to launch attacks from. Also, if any of you ever played "WW2 Death In Europe" for starcraft, the neutral player that plays norway is a computer, and it mines from invisible crystals and builds units and attack. This same philosphy will be with neutral countries, but they will only start production once you/they declare war on them by attacking them.
**Key Point** The United Nations still exists in 2040 it is just severly weakened by USA/EU leaving, so if you attack any of it's members they will ALL retaliate!


About this, there will be some neutral countries (that will be controlled by the computer) that will eventually join one side or another, but they will be controlled by the computer. They won't make a large scale difference, but every little bit can help.

About brief case nukes and weapons like that:
1st, it will be next to impossible to get that done (keep in mind as of 2040 the world will be dealing with stealth terrorism for 40 years and will have technology and methods to catch them).
2nd, maybe you could sneak bombs in, but I'm saving nukes for large scale destruction, I've got a mushroom cloud animation and everything ready to cause mass havoc. :ggani:

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Other New Info:
The reason why the beginning of this map is going pretty slow is because I just got a new computer (well supposively for xmas, but i get to use it now), and im transfering files onto it and such, so I'll probably be able to work on the map alot once the weekend comes around, plus exams end this week.

Skins/Models:
I've been looking around for some, and ive got about 12 skins and/or models, but anyone who will donate some models they have lying around that would work in this modern/futuristic time frame would help me alot. You would also get full credit for your skins and/or models.

Countries:
North America:
Canda: Will be neutral, but very early in the map it will be invaded by a trigger having it join the United States/UK.
USA: Durrr, you should know if you've been reading this.
Mexico: Will be neutral, but will also be trigger invaded sometime during the map, and all of it's units will be given to either W. US or E. US, whichever one doesn't get Canada.

Europe:
Most European countries will be in EU except whats listed below:
Switcherland: Why would Switcherland ever go to war. They've gone to war once ever (I believe, dont take me 100% on just one war), but the only time they ever declared war was defending the Vatican.
UK: Willl withdraw from the EU and back USA
Vatican City: One little city that will be neutral, but you will be unable to attack the Vatican (mostly because im Catholic and you people wont be messin with my pope!)

Asia (Other than Middle East)
Russia: This will probably be the only Asian country that will actually be seen on the map. Russia takes over the responsibility of leader of the UN and will be the most powerful of UN members.

Middle East:
Iraq: Will be under the control of America. Will be a key point in gathering **oil**.
Afganistan: Member of the UN
Other Middle East Countries: Will be their own little section which is not affiliated with the UN, but they will still be neutral.

Africa:
Most African countries will be neutral, though two I believe will be on the side of the EU because they still feel loyal to the country that originally colonized them (loyalty to their original parent country)

This is pretty much all the countries that will be on the map. If you don' know the gerneral locations check the map I posted a few posts above with a red rectangle. Everything in that rectangle is what will be in the map, give or take a little bit. Some of the Middle East wil be in the map mostly so Russia can be bigger and more powerful.
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Final Point:
Neutral countries won't be too powerful, they will probably launch completely unorganized attacks from random places that make no sense beacuse the computer will be controlling them. Keep in mind that the UN could still dent your side.

I will be happy to answer any more questions, or hear comments.

Thanks,
JoeJoe

Vatican City: One little city that will be neutral, but you will be unable to attack the Vatican (mostly because im Catholic and you people wont be messin with my pope!)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

I was looking forward to give the pope an active hydrogen bomb for CHristmas!

Anyswas, this looks great! keep up the good work and get us sum screenies soon.