After Return of the King? New map coming out need suggestions and feedback.

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OK me and a friend are deciding on a map to make about LOTR. And i came across the idea of doing something after return of the king. i know there isnt a lot out there about it so i cant really stick to a thight plot like the other games about LOTR. Our idea was to make a game where as saurons tower was falling and all that was happening he created one last OBJECT (we need suggestions the object) of power. Its power is greater than the one ring was.

ok here is where we need suggestions. You can either post your own idea or change this one.

Aragorns son is out one day with a friend and they see an orc or what they think looks like an orc. they follow it far and into a (forest, cave, mountains, or something) and then something happens like they get lost and they find that OBJECT. they dont know what it is. then some how again they figure out what it is. if aragorn doesnt have his son for 1000 or more years then there can be some righting about that OBJECT. i dont think that is going to be so. but any way. they find that OBJECT and then they have to deal with it. I NEED SUGGESTIONS/ FEEDBACK ON THIS IDEA.

this is open to every ones thoughts. just please post any thoughts u have about this.... u can add on to the idea too.

I think it's a good idea. It'll (hopefully) rise above the sea of monotony that is the LOTR world within WC3.

I think the OBJECT should be a weapon of some sort, like Sauron's mace, or his wicked-looking helmet from the first war. It should gain all this power because Sauron linked it to the One Ring, so that should the One Ring be destroyed, he'd have the mace. Since the mace was already magical, the combined power was amplified, making it excessively powerful. Or, Sauron's soul was trapped within it when the Ring was destroyed. Something like that.

They could always find out what it is simply through the kid's heritage. I mean, surely Aragorn would have described Sauron to his kids, so his mace would be recognized by them, if it's thought about.

Anyhow, I hope you follow through with this, it sounds interesting.

Sounds alright, illd rather someone make a lotr map that is actually good, but neh this will do. Have you read the silmarillion? Theres quite a few powerfull type objects in there that sauron could have "aquired" perhaps some of melkors stuff or something?
Had an interesting idea, illd like to see a few maps based on the return of the king game, nice giant battles w/ hack n slash action.

I don't understand that part. Did Aragorn ever actually have children, btw?

People who read the books probably wouldn't like these ideas much. My advice would be to make it a smaller scale story, something perhaps similar in scale to the events of the LotR precursor the Hobbit. Since the forces of Sauron were pretty much crushed in the last great war of the third age, you could for example have the story centered around the mopping up of the war parties of orcs that escaped the battle and took refuge in the wilderness. It's quite concieveable that some great orc leader managed to steal one or a few of Saurons most powerful artifacts somehow and that he would try to establish a kingdom for himself and the orcs following him somewhere east of Mordor. Aragorn might send a war party to wipe them out; having some of the minor characters from the film in this party would make sense.

You could also add some easterlings and stuff to the whole affair or whatever you'd like; very little, if anything at all, is written about the lands east of mordor, so you'd have great artistic freedom. If you really want to mess around with Tolkien lore, throw in a wizard as an ally, one of the ones never mentioned by name in the books could have been travelling in the east and wandered into the conflict.

Having the story center around some kind of object even more powerful than the One ring makes no sense at all. It took a long time and a long of effort and energy for Sauron to create the rings when he was at his most powerful. At the time of LotR he is but a shadow of his former self; heck, he doesn't even have a body! It doesn't make any sense that he'd suddenly just pop some all-powerful item into existance, *especially* if he knew he was done for. I think he'd rather take his power with him back to Eru than let anyone else play with it. Taking his ball and going home, pretty much.

Tolkien did wrote a 5 book... but he dident finish it... it was about what happend after saroun had left and all orcs was dead... here is what i know..


Saruon was fallen there was still orcs but they did no harm.. they hided in caves... the elves was allmost gone.. and the humans (gondor) began to feal it all boring, so they made cults.. dark cults and a new evil began to rise... but he skipped it becurse it was more about human psysic than another story in the LOTR world....

Maby u can use this in some way... :ggani:


-The BIG Lotr fan Alowan..

He's saying that no one would know enough to have writings about it unless a long time had passed. And I don't think it downright says that he had kids, but that doesn't mean he didn't.

The object of power doesn't have to be Sauron's. It could be from Saruman, who had a lot of free time while he was trapped in Orthanc(sp?) by the Ents. He may have tried to make something that he put all his power into to help him kill them, but then never used it (maybe it required some time after he finished making it to activate or whatever). That would explain why they had so little trouble with him in the books; he just kinda left without a fight.

Or, you could say the Ring isn't gone. I mean, why would Sauron tell anyone how to destroy it? He wouldn't. So how do people know that? He lied. He made it there, so it would make sense if it could survive there. It's his backup; Mount Doom is on his doorstep, they might as well have dropped the Ring on his lap. But then you'd need to explain how it got where it was...

Maybe instead of making it more powerful, make it weaker, but its power is more directly used. What I mean is that the One Ring is godawful powerful, but no one knows how to use it. If he had a weapon far easier to use that was weaker, it could seem more powerful.

Ok, the orcs did NOT die...and by god they were not defeated. They just were leaderless and had no need to fight the humans. And yet there were still probably 200 000 orcs in Mordor...hey, look, an orc leader. Looks like the orcs don't need a ring to be strong, the axe is good enough.

Elves gone...dwarves, gone...only men left...oh dear..............*humans dying*, hey, I see mace, *picks up* hey, ORCS! *slaughters 2 000 orcs single handedly* hmm...usefull thing.

yes aragorn has a son named Eldarion and a few other daughtors with his wife Arwen. thats after the return of the king. and then Eldarion becomes king when aragorn dies and all thats stuff. a freind gave me this huge few hundred page encyclopedia with a shit load of stuff thats not in movies or the books. its got all the events and a lot of stuff. so i can get some information from this. or just a name and go online.

even with that book i dont know what happens to sauramon the white wizard? what does happen to him. with the ents and all cause if no one knows i can make him escape some how and then have him as a main bad ruler.

In the end of RotK he is (I think) killed by the hobbits when he attempts to take over the shire. Im not sure if he's killed or runs off.

He wasn't killed he and Wormtongue were driven off, if I remember correctly. But his wizardly powers were broken by Gandalf during his imprisonment in Orthanc. Saruman was powerless, and powerful magical items don't just pop out of thin air, even for wizards.

any one else got any suggestions for this map?

could um saurmon get his powers back some how? like would that be stupid if he does in my game and becomes a ruler?

But Gandalf didn't break him until the end of his imprisonment. The ents had him holed up there for awhile before Gandalf got there. He could have made it then, and then lost his power to use it, when he was removed some scavengers unknowingly took the magical object to sell it, and were killed in the middle of nowhere, leaving the magical object where no one is likely to find it.

And I thought the hobbits killed Saruman, after they found him in Bag End. But that part was always kinda dumb anyhow; why would Saruman choose Bag End of all places? And why would men rally behind an old powerless man? It'd make more sense to say he was killed or his whereabouts are unknown.

I DON'T THINK U SHOULD MAKE A NEW POWERFULL ITEM, OR REMAKE THE RING...

i think u should follow the history Tolkien made... i just got a lot of what he wrote.. (the letters of JRR Tolkien.)

this it what he wrote in the letters:

Note: this is from the danish version of the letters so it is not totally correct..

I one thought about continuing lord of the rings, i started it and called it "The new Shadow", which should find place 100 years after.
After the victory over the evil was people in Condor begun to be bored over all this kindness and godness.

As a reaction was there begun to be born cults, which did pray for the power of the evil. A castle revolution were made up...


But Tolkien did cancel this project, in due to old age and because it wasn't about fighting the evil, more just about the evil sides of human being..

I would vote for using Palando and Alatar, the blue witards, as the new evil. Like Saruman they departed east but unlike him the did not return. It is possible that thy were corrupted like Saruman and they have get rulership over some Easterling or Haradrim Tribes. Perhaps they will try to forge their own rings of power. One of them or both could have searched Mordor (or what was left of it after the ROTK) for hints about the forging process of the Rings of Power.
Of course these new rings would not be as powerfull as he One ring or perhaps even the Elven Rings, but with these Items Palando and Alatar could posses a great danger to the west.
Another option for an past LOTR scenario would be "the Last Battle". The Silmarillion tells us that Ar-Pharazôn, was not killed during his invasion of Aman, but imprisoned in a cave, waiting for the last battle. This could perhaps include a "return of Morgoth" plot. As far as I know this battle is realy discribed as an attemp of Morgoth to return and to defeat the Valar.

Saruman was slained by wormtounge...can't remeber why. He went to Bag End to piss off the hobbits who destroyed him. He could still use his voice to control people....

Then the hobbits shot wormtouge.

PS: Try something origional, not just Lord of the Second Ring...