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Magess/Temptress/Demoness...kinda...

02-18-2004, 07:27 PM#1
PsylisiaDragoon
Okay, I'm posting an old skin that I'm recently trying to work on and improve. A version of it currently shows up in a later version of one of the DOTA maps for the character 'Demon Magess'.

The model used is the ROC Warden/Assassin, and I was (back then) trying to put a temptress spin on a demoness in general. Of course, there are demonesses in TFT now, but this was meant to use the same model as in the map...plus I've seen how ugly the succbus models get up close on that harem dancer I showed before. ;)

Anyway, I acknowledge the skin isn't that hot, with some recoloring (outfit shades up top, hair coloring) and a number of changes (changed Warden's cape into 'wings', her belly region and legs, pentagrams and a few markings) but I'd like to get some feedback and perhaps ideas/suggestions for improving the 'temptress/demoness' image (changes or just 'cleaning' ideas are ok).

Try the following link please (if the pic is busted or the wrong image, reload or try again in a few mins):

Demoness/Temptress skin

That's a current version, tweaked/cleaned a bit from the version currently in the last DOTA. BTW, eh, I'm looking to improve the skin mostly for myself/experience (and perhaps if anyone wants to use whatever the final vers of it becomes), as I doubt any skins in DOTA are going to get altered/added anytime soon. ;)

Thanx beforehand. ^^

Psy D
02-18-2004, 11:23 PM#2
Boobles
:D Incredibly nice and i love it becuase as my self i play Dota :ggani:
Edit:And that I am in Clan Dota
:ggani:
02-19-2004, 12:00 AM#3
kuramaRoze
the armor is good, but the skin is crappy. Try making it flow one direction, not swirls and dots.
02-19-2004, 01:58 AM#4
PsylisiaDragoon
Got it, will smooth out the bare skin on the limbs next (only 'dots' should be at the joints really). Will post an update later tonight...

Any other suggestions/additions?

Psy D
02-19-2004, 02:21 AM#5
Jacinthe
Very glad to see you're still skinning, Psy! I hope you don't mind if I give a brief crit on this one.

Like was said, the armour is really nice. It is clean and clear, though it would be fun if you took advantage of the model's rare ability to let you have an asymmetrical skin. Were I in your shoes, I might add a black "string" or thin leather band (still black) winding randomly up her left leg, with the right one left bare.

Also, you might consider adding a few more 'ribs' in the wings - or maybe just one more - and defining them a touch more. Think you could even put a few veins in there, or is it too low resolution? It's been a long time since I skinned that model, and I don't quite recall the wrapping.

Last thing I want to mention is that Kurama has the right idea - the skin could use a bit of touching up, to make it look nice and smooth and seductive.

That's it for now - hope you don't mind my commenting on your work~ Keep it up, Psy. ^^
02-19-2004, 04:17 AM#6
PsylisiaDragoon
Update attempt:

Demoness/Temptress skin attempt 2

KuramaRoze, regarding skin tone:
Okay, smoothed out the skin tone over all the model...may look TOO smooth/one-colored now tho, barring the shading on the very edges of the limbs and under the hood (her forehead).

Jaci, regarding the wings:
I gave it a shot...but I'm not sure if it's better or worse now. The problem with the 'wings' is that I have to use only a certain section of the Warden's cape, albeit a large part. In her animations (especially running), you can see the former cape is 3 polygons...and when she runs, it looks like a 'z' shape if you have a side view at the ground of it. Hence, so not to make the wings flat out 'bend', I can't make them too big. Resolution is indeed a problem as well.

Anyway, I added another rib on each wing (which meant 'splitting' them once more as well), tried to clean up the areas around the ribs more for definition, and added faint-but-there attempts at veins (which show up best on the outer sections of the wings).

As for using the asymetics with a wrapping leg band/ribbon on one leg (that sounds FAMILIAR, like what's on my contest entry/avatar's body ;) ) I certainly will give it a shot on the next revision. I am curious whether I should dump the pentagram-decorated shin/foot guard on the leg with the ribbon or not though (or just have the ribbon on the thigh)?

And of course I don' t mind you (any of you) commenting on my work...feedback's the only way make any improvement. ^^

Keep the ideas/suggestions coming (everyone), please. ;)

Psy D
02-19-2004, 05:03 AM#7
Ravan
Sorry, i did't read your post much because im too lazy to read alot right now, You should cover up her legs with chainmale or something she looks really bad with her legs without clothing, Also you should get a mdl edit to remove her shoulder pads,
02-19-2004, 08:32 PM#8
Jacinthe
Skin looks much better. =) Could use a little more highlighting on the tops of the thighs, IMO, though not a lot.

Wings look good! Maybe the split closest to her spine is alpha'd a bit high compared to the other one, but otherwise I think it looks much better. Might be just me, though!

I'd keep the leg warmer thing if you do the straps on her leg, but it is of course a matter of personal preference.

I love that asymmetrical model so much, I'm very tempted to skin it again... =x
02-20-2004, 12:02 AM#9
Boobles
I still love it...
02-20-2004, 05:12 AM#10
PsylisiaDragoon
Glad someone does. ^^

Next revision:

Demoness/Temptress attempt 3

Added slight highlights to her thighs, fixed the alphas on the wings (lowered the rib points) and added a winding strap tied around her thigh which 'swirls' down to behind her knee. Of course, the front-back symmetry makes it look a tad odd from the side, but decent from the front or back.

Anymore remarks/suggestions? Keep 'em coming. ;)

Psy D
02-20-2004, 05:47 AM#11
Ravan
Looks better, but i still say you should cover up her legs
02-20-2004, 06:00 PM#12
Jacinthe
Ohh, looks nice!

I'm just totally nitpicking now, but have you considered adding some decoration to her upper set of shoulder armour?

Ravan, I think it's probably better this way, because she's supposed to be a temptress of sorts, and if she's all covered up that's not very tempting (with Blizzard's low-poly models, anyway). To Psy, if you do decide to cover her legs up a bit, it might be fun to do it with semi-transparent, tight black cloth, so you can still see through it, and still see the band on her left leg. But I think it's nice without coverings, personally. =)
02-20-2004, 10:05 PM#13
Boobles
Quote:
Originally posted by Ravan
Looks better, but i still say you should cover up her legs
Leave them legs alone :ggani:
02-21-2004, 02:24 AM#14
Kamahl
Why am I not surprised that the kid that posted pics of a horrible nude skin wants the legs bare?

I agree with Ravan, cover the legs at least a little more.
02-21-2004, 03:11 AM#15
Boobles
Quote:
Originally posted by Kamahl
Why am I not surprised that the kid that posted pics of a horrible nude skin wants the legs bare?

I agree with Ravan, cover the legs at least a little more.
??? If you did not notice that is the person that was trying to get me Banned which is why they made the same name like mine, that one was boobels and mine is Boobles with an "L" which is a term for the Chinese Monkey Lord :reallyang