ToB sin in DL section

Tides of Blood sin is a hacked, illegal version in breach of international copywrite laws, since it is using Cassiel and Wendigo's ideas and work without there permission. Please remove it from the site.

Sorry if this is the wrong place...I don't know where to put this.

The map creator says Cassiel and Wendigo...

Don't take me wrongly, I'm in no-way defending hacking into maps, I just didn't know that the sin version wasn't theirs...

Also, it isn't illegal or in breach of any laws, any Warcraft III map is owned by Blizzard, in fact they're doing something illegal to copyright it.

But it is a damned wrong thing if this is hacked, so if it is, please get rid of it ASAP.

It has been removed.

Related to this thread.

First of all, let me start by quoting Cassiel, Windigo and you on that thread:





Ok, now that's done, let's start with Cassiel:
He promises that he'll be unlocking other people's maps, even people that probably had nothing to do with the ToB unlocking and release.

So technically, if i follow his phylosophy, if someone punched me, i would punch everyone around me?
Nice logic, Cassiel...

Now, Captain Griffen, you, in that thread, sound like an acolyte, a small brother supporting anything the big brother does.
And...
Blizzard owns all our maps, it's stated in the readme for the WE and on the WE itself, so they won't do shit, if anything, they could disallow anyone from playing custom maps on B.Net and you would have no right to complain about it.



Now, Windigo, well, no comments on him, other than he seems to be the one with his head on his shoulders.


Oh and in case you want to tell Casiel about this post or Casiel himself, the almighty, the wonderfull, is reading this, sorry, i don't have any maps for you to unlock, what a pity.



PS: Also, Casiel said he's working on a method of protecting maps by disabling WinMPQ from opening them, that simply is impossible, unless instead of an .mpq for a map, you use something else, which wc3 won't be able to read either.

In the trend of following the strict rules; the map has been removed, it was protected for a reason.

Well, besides the fact that ripped maps aren't supported by the site, and either by me, Is it really possible to use copyright protection on a wc3's map?

Also doesn't a bnet player that starts a tob game break the copyright protection by releasing the map for download for the other players?

No to both of those, Blizzard owns EVERYTHING we make with the WE. A user can not copyright his/her maps, they can say "This map is protected, please don't steal" but that's about it.

Well, it's illegal anyway. Technically, there is no solid things.

But the fact is stealing someones map and editing it without there permission IS illegal (either blizzard/C &D's copywrite).

This post is infact copywrited, as it was created by me.

However, since you have to sign an agreement with Blizzard to install WC3, things can change.

Basically though, no one is gunna sue over a map...esspecially not Blizzard as basicly that would render the modding community very pissed off.

okay, imho, protection and unprotection arent illegal, or against copyright, blah blah blah. its just corrupting/uncorrupting a file (.w3m or .w3x) with a mpq editor. and as for copy right, if it was uprotected, and they changed any tiny peice, lets say they made jean do 2 points more attack damage, its not the same map anymore. so the copyright goes bye bye. and the custom skins? well first, they were imported and second, the creator of them left them available for public use.

and tob sin isn't unlocked! I tried opening it, but it still said the data was still corrupted. all that was different was that in a MPQ editor they changed the line in global constants to make max hero level 50.

even though the map isn't that popular and its not like its ruining tob, its a good thing to remove the lame edited version from wc3campaigns!

Sure, they edited it. But guess what? Editing it in the 1st place was illegal. Otherwise I could change one tiny option in WC3 and then it would be mine.

And some of ToB is cassiels & wendigos, some the skinners/modellers and some blizzards.

Blizzards user agreement, as far as i can tell, mearly says in detailed language, all the stuff in there already, before you do anything, is theirs. So you can't claim Grom Hellscream as your own, nor the model.

And Copywrite does not have to be official: it is auto-matic.

NOTE: Look up Calafornian copywrite laws, I have not been bothered, but any issues concerning WC3 end user agreement are held in calafornia, and you have agreed to this.

This is an interesting thread...and it shouldnt matter if its legal or not hacking someone elses map is wrong...

Nothing that it is possible to do to a Warcraft III map could be classed as illegal. I'm sorry if people disagree, but it is the truth. Read the EULA if you want to know why. Blizzard owns it all, so Tides of Blood isn't cassiel's map to break into.


You know what that means? It means that you can't copyright your posts because they become the property of StonedStoopid at the moment they reach the webserver.

Also, copyrighting has to be official. You must register copyrights with the appropriate organisations before they can be claimed.

Once again, I state that I'm in no way defending people who unprotect maps. It is wrong, and in my eyes it is thievery. But never-the-less, the facts are the facts.

I highly suggest DoCa or Technetium close this thread. Similar things have happened in Map Development and have become all-out flame wars because they haven't been nipped in the butt.

yea, it was getting off topic.

HOWEVER, "The owners of Warcraft III Campaigns Forums have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason." does NOT mean you OWN it, just means you have the right to edit it.

And the user agreement, I can only repeat what I said:

Blizzards user agreement, as far as i can tell, mearly says in detailed language, all the stuff in there already, before you do anything, is theirs. So you can't claim Grom Hellscream as your own, nor the model.

Now, it could be that I misunderstood...but in that case, since it isn't clarrified, and I agreed upon false pretences, they can't claim any thing I make in the editor as theres: but I can't claim it as mine, legally. I can say I made it with the editor though.

Just to prevent any further nonsense...

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