Harry Potter, if ur a fan or just like the books, read this.

I have started a harry potter adventure map, if any one is willing to help, just tell me, i prefferably need a dodader or triggerer, but anyting will work, as long as u like harry potter, i dont want any one to help if they hate the series cause everything needs love. :8

how quality is the map? post it for dl so i can take a look at it or email it 2 me at [email protected]
i can skin trigger terrain spells and everything... except for moddel

IM not going to go quite as far as i did on the lion king thread, but i will mention my disapointment. harry potter is a childrens book, and warcraft is not a childrens game (well it could be considered a childrens game, but its aimed at people 14 and over at the least). i realy dont htink theyll mix well, and you could better spend your time on another project

I dont know what your talking about gitlich, Harry potter is not a childrens, book, well it might be in that section in the library but believe me, a lot of adults read the books, and like them the same as children, so u cant say its a childrens book cause u havent even read it.

Also u can make what u want with warcraft. little kids could play it just for amuzement but dont know what anything is, and adults could play it and really get into it and start yelling and then go kill someone cause they lost a game.,, and this adventure game for harry potter isnt going to be a childs game, you will be able to get stuff and do what u want in it, and it will be better than the games that u can buy, well not graphically or anything but the idea will be better. and dont post if ur going to try and stop this, saying its a stupid idea because i dont care who thinks its stupid and who loves it. what matters is who wants to help, and has some idea what harry potter is about, u have to read the books, not watch the movie. just like lotr.

first off, im not trying to stop this, like i said i was mearly voicing my opinion.
secondly i didnt say the idea was stupid, i mearly said i personaly think the idea is a bad one, and i would rather see you spend your time one what is in my opinion a better project. you cant say im wrong, as its just my opinion, and unless you wish to debate what my opinion is with me, i suggest you consider what you said.
thirdly, it is very childish to assume i havnt read the book, i read a substantail portion of the first book some years ago and found it to be very childish, i cant say ive ever looked for any of the titals in a public library.
You may be right about younger children playig your mod, however most warcraft players arnt that age, and i think less people will play it, than if it were a more mature plot.
And finaly, i fully maintain harry potter is a childrens book. i regret not explaning my reasoning for this erlier, however i was in the middel of some work and not paying full atention to my post. harry potter is a childrens book because of the setting, it is a fantasy setting in the real world. these books are childish by theyre very nature. the underlying purpouse of the book is to amuse children and stimulate a childs imagination by letting them have the fantasy one day they can go to a wizards school. in fact the very presence of the the school is designed to alow children to connect to the charactars. Adults naturaly find it harder to associate with the charactars in a book, and as a result the vast moajority of literature aimed at a mature audiance attemps very little to conect the reader to the charactars on quite the same leval. if you look at such adult fantasy books as lord of the rings, and even more so the silmarilion. these books do not hold a connection with the charactars as the core of the book.
im trying to think of the best example i can, forgive me if this is a little abstract, and dosnt quite fit the situation perfectly. for the folowing example, im using the films batman and spiderman. spiderman was one of the biggest grossing fils ever if memory serves me correctly, its primry audiance was children under the age of 16 (at the absolute most). I once breifly watched part of a documentry about the film, and the origonal creator was comenting on the fact that spderman comics were one of the best selling ever, because before them, young reader count not empathise well with charactars. these comics (and in turn the film were aimed to recive more empathy from the younger audiance). now consider batman. the main charactar is a partialy psychotic vigilantiy. now, i cant say i know may people who could connect with a charractar like that. and batman was clealry aimed at the more adult audiance.
Now in this example, replace batman with a title such as lord of the rings. now replace spiderman with the harry potter serise (just to show im not singeling out your choise of literature, ill give another example such as the wizard of earthsea).
if i have been succesful then i should have clearly put accros my ppoiny as to why i belive beyond a shadow of doubt that harry potter is a childrens book.
I imagine that youll have something to say about this post, however, i also imagain you wont want this debate to take up any more sapce on your thread, as it is slightly off topic. so if you do wish to continue this let me know, and ill set up a thread in the off topic forum. i do hope you reply, i always enjoy a challenge

I dont have much to say, cause i dont like debateing, even though i could probably, win. just one thing.

spongebob squarepants.

1 out of every 4 viewers are between the ages of 18 and 49.

40% of the viewers are over the age of 16.

so im sure that you cant catagorize harry potter, a much more advanced plot and setting, to be a childs book. sure children might read it but lots of teens read it too. maybe a fewer percent are adults but a 17 or 16 year old isnt a child.

"harry potter is a childrens book because of the setting, it is a fantasy setting in the real world." u said.
what setting is warcraft in? surely thats not fantasy. im just wondering cause i never knew what it was catagorized as. besides a war game.

Your not quite getting it, i said harry potter is a childrens book becuase it is a fantasy setting in the real world. warcraft is not set in the real world, its set in azeroth.
spongebob sqaurepants isnt primarily aimed at the age grup as young as 7 to 11/12, which is what harry potter is aimed at. spongebob is a cartoon designed to attract children as well as their parents, another example would be cartoons like dangermouse. theyre desiged to have 2 levals so adults wont get bord wittless whike their children watch them. but you cannot compare them, as none of these or cartoons are designed to get empathy from adults or children, who can connect with a sea sponge?
And youd probably win? dont make me laugh, to truely win an argument you have to convince the other side or person that your right, and they change their mind, and ive argued with the best debaters in my school on this, and ive never been convinced otherwize.
its just childish. thees nothing wrong with being childish once and a while, its probably psychologicaly healthy. but describe yourself as a fan, and then to make a harry potter mod, is just a step too far

So you are saying that just because a fantasy book is set in the real world it has to be a childrens book?!?!

And also Harry Potter is NOT aimed at people that young. I saw on a reliable site that JK Rowling is writing them for adults. If it seems a little childish, thats your point of view.

my two cents

This is not at all true. I'm in my twenties and I read the books after my older brother and his wife, who are both 32 or somewhere thereabouts, recommended them to me. A mother of a friend of mine, who I believe is in her 50s, loved the first two books. Several of my friends have read all of the books - for some, it's the only book they've willingly (that is, out of school) read in english. To say that adults (or indeed anyone over the tender age of 14) would have a hard time identifying themselves with the characters of the books is a display of ignorance which (given the ample media covering of the wide appeal of the series) IMO borders on stupidity.


This is *extremely* untrue, and such a rediculous notion that I can't think of a meaningful comment.


Presenting these two books as examples of mature fantasy litterature which focus less on character development is just silly, for several reasons. First of all, the LotR has lots of believeable characters which most people can empathise with quite well. Just ask an adult who has read the book. And IIRC (was quite a few years ago I read it) the Silmarilion doesn't have that much in the way of characters and such a peculiar format that it certainly couldn't attempt to personalise the characters more than it does. It's mostly an historic epic, not an adventure book.

I also feel I must add that if an comparsion of the Spiderman and Batman movies is the best you can come up with, you are very poorly armed for any kind of debate over literature.


Hang on, now. Harry Potter is 10 years old in the first book, and will be 17 in the last in the series. IIRC, he has some frustrating experiences with girls in the fifth book, especially of the "poor communication leads to misunderstandings which leads to arguing" kind, generally things I laughed at and really could identify with, having gone through those frustrating experiences myself. Those things would definately go over the heads of practically everyone in the 7-12 y/o age group. The first book is the most childish in style, and the themes of the books mature with the characters, and (more importantly) with the readers.

The HP books are all children's books, more or less, but your definition of that kind of book is silly. Furthermore, they have a very wide appeal and I'm certain you'd find many readers of the books among the wc3 population.


Lol. The only way to "win" an argument in an internet community would be to present a more convincing case than your opponent. But it's a moot point, really: the notion of winning and losing and argument is stupid - an argument is an attempt to reach a common position, not some kind of competition. If you reach agreement, you both win. If you don't, you've just been wasting your time. If your opponent turns out to be a stubborn idiot who refuses to accept the possibility that he might be wrong, well, it's his loss, really.

Regarding the actual topic of the thread, a HP map for wc3: Sure, why not. Not that I suspect very many would play it, but then again, that's true for practically all maps.

I just thought of something quite interesting, the comic book calvin and hobs, is what most people would think as a childs book. ur probably right, u dont see many 25 year olds walking around reading it. but if u have ever taken the time to read one of them, youll probably see that there are a lot of words that children will have no idea what they mean. and probably a lot of adults wont either. so you cant base a book on if its for children or not, because of its setting, or the characters. it is the level of reading skill it takes, (more or less true). also im not a full fan of harry potter. i just have read the books and take a liking to them. what is wrong with fantasy any way????????????? Also this map isnt intended for only the people that like harry potter to play! If u play warcraft then you probably have a liking for magic and spells. maybe not, but im sure a lot do. this map will be enough like harry potter for those people who do like HP to relate to it and say "oh yea i know this part, i have to find my way out of this maze, it is really cool. becasue then i get to go fight the one who must not be named" or if u have no idea what is happening, then you would say "cool another maze in a fiction game" and you would be even more supprized becasue then you would fight some one powerfull u dont even know.

Also as i am seeing already this harry potter map doesnt look as fantasy as the movies are. or even what you might think it to be.

Just to let you this is not gitlich this is just someone using his user name. Why do you people live in this dream that makes you think that Harry Potter is aimed and a broader audience then Children. It is designed for children to be marketed so that The publishers and J.K.Rowling can make loads of money nothing more nothing less and in my opinion she is a marketing genius

Uh, I agree, Harrypotter prolly won't work well in the wc3 universe, But if this is going to be a debate or arguement, I doubt it should be on Map Team Gathering.

give me a name. of something you like, like a book or movie. and ill diss it more than you can diss my idea of making a harry potter map, so shut the **** up now. all of you. this post is closed unless you are replying to help me make the map.

Do any of you guys remember what was this thread for. Was it an argument thread about Harry Potter books, on a Warcraft III website?

But of course, a good argument develops your skill and will to survive.

And hey Superpeon, I remember seeing you in some other project.

:( ^_^ :(

Man, how could they ruin harry potter with crappy movies, t-shirts, toys, games etc. Eh, yeah, they wanted to be ritch, everything is about money..
Anyways the books are still good, but to hell with the trademark crap :<