Hero Siege/RPG UFAE vs. DSAE

05-08-2004, 02:29 AM

`deathlegionare

hey, i thought up of a wierd idea for a map, but i think it will be pretty good if it works out.

it will be a bnet map with custom models but i will use teh heavy locker or some protection thing to make it small enough for bnet use.

ok. i'll get the things straight. its a hero siege, of course, like TOB.

EDIT: DDS score system idea taken off.

The 2 teams, Good versus Evil. the good army will be called teh UFAE (Unified Federation Army Elites) and the evil army wil be called the DSAE (Dark Scourge Army Elites). I added the Elite in because the hero's that you select ar part of an Elite force of teh army. like the SEALs in the US army.

ok, now im going to list the basic units that the AI is going to carry out the battle while you control your hero.

UFAE basic units
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Marine
Rocket Trooper
Humvee
Harrier (attack Air only)

DSAE basic units
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Skeleton Gunner
Juggernaut
Buggy
Imp Jet (attack Air only)

the reason that i want the air units to attack air only becaues i want constant dog fights taking place while you control your hero on the ground. (wouldn't be cool if air units are attacking you and you cant attack back)

ok, time for listing the heroes.

UFAE heroes
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Royal Guard
Royal Calvalier
Noemi
Mobius
Aurora
K'
'V'

DSAE heroes
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DH Killer
Kira
Fiestar
Dark Shadow
Hellraiser
Sandro
Thiasse

GOAL
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the goal in this game is like other hero siege games.

destroy the major building.
in this one there's 2 major buildings, one for each team.
the UFAE would have 'Ares'
and the DSAE would have 'Megalithe'

thats all that i have up right now, i'll put up the concept arts later. since my site is down.

and if you have interest's of what i can do, i can draw and make icons. right now im trying to learn how to model but still i may need a modeler.

i also need a triggerer. mainly one that's familiar with hero sieges, and a terrainer.
i think thats all that i may need for making a map. please help out.

05-09-2004, 04:03 AM	#2
Shadow_Strike	i could help on terraining and some lowpoly models (non-animated duh)

05-09-2004, 04:21 AM	#3
`deathlegionare	yea, ok, check up for update on the ranks and i little update on the objective of the game.

05-09-2004, 09:16 PM

`deathlegionare

05-09-2004, 10:19 PM

erwtenpeller

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Originally Posted by deathlegionare

Another update.
MAX Level: 20

i haven't thought about the statistics of it yet.

Hero Spells
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Royal Guard (something like a paladin, strength, melee)
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Royal Guard, their job is mainly to protect and serve. so most of their spells are defensive.

Wound: This spell injures the enemy and stunning them for a sec. good for retreating.
Heal: healing of course! but on a indivdual target.
Protective Aura: Grants friendly's more defense.
Hail of Life (Ultimate): MASS HEALING

why not combine wound and heal into holy light? this way he has an extra skill to spare... i would suggest anti-magic shell: making him quite effective as a supporter.
how does this 'mass heal' work? is it like tranquility? is it instant heal in an AoE? is it chanelled? you could make ity heal a lot, and make the skill chanelled like tranquility... verry effective, he has the armor aura, then you can cast anti magic shell on yourself and start chanelling the mass heal. the enemies will try to stop you from chanelling but cant nuke you, and your armor prevents them from dealing too much physical damage... make holy light castable on self and you got yourself a kickass character

DH Killer (assassin type, high agility, melee)
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DemonHUnter Killers main job is to protect their leader who are mainly demons, so they are quite offensive, sacrificing themselves to protect their leaders.

Death Coil: The name explains itself.
Poison Dart: Launches a poison dart which poisons the target and tehy slowly start to lose thier life. Lasts how long? i think it'll last for about 6 secs.
Stab: Stabs the enemy dealing alot of damage from blood lost and stuns them for a while.
Explosive Death (Ultimate, passive): Dieing!? why not take a couple of other people down along with you? its a DH Killer to prevent any danger happening to their leaders.

he has three spells that deal damage to opponants?? thats a bit much.. he wont be needing his explosive death thing then... as a matter of fact, i think suicide skills are verry useless most of the time, the whole idea is to stay alve no?
is stab mellee ranged? then i would suggest replecing poison dart with a movement speed increase, preferably castable. that will actually enable you to catch up with running heros and actually cast stab.
wait... replace death coil with explosive death (make explosive death a normal ability) and make his ultimate reincarnation! then you have a great char... imo.

Roval Calvalier (Knight hero, pretty fast and quite strong, ranged)
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Royal Calvalier, mounted on motorcycles that something like the vulture from starcraft, but then they have a gun and are not good close range.

(still think of spells for this guy)

mounted on a motorcyle eh? that just begs for a passive movement speed boost... hes somekind of sniper dude right? then give him a snipe ability: verry long range, single target, medium damage.
lets see now... meant to deal damage from afar... sneak up to someone, snipe him and get away clean...
why not give him a smoke bomb? something like a goblin landmine, only upon detonation it doesnt damage, but it slows enemies and gives them a chance to miss.
now, for a nice ultimate... how about something like, extend barrels? a self-beefing ability that boosts range and damage for a while.

Kira (Agility Type, lightning based attacks, melee)
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Thunder Strike (passive): Deals some lightning damage.
Chain Lightning: Name explains itself.
Grand Vapor Thrust: its like blink, but then he appears right next to his target dealing some damage. good for getting those first strikes.
Ride the Lightning (Ultimate): Sends a big projectile through the screen. Dealing alot of damage through it's path.

replace thunder strike with purge, two nukes isnt fun on this guy... hes more of the assasin, not a nukemeister. plus hes allready got that thunderthing as ultimate. i would however, suggest a change in the ultimate: disruptive storm: sommon a slow-moving tornado (not chanelled) that has permanent immolation, only with the arts changed to monsoon strikes. have it disable all mechenical units within the reange of the immolation, wich should be about 300/400...

Noemi (Evasive agility Type, melee)
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Evade (passive): Name explains itself
Retreat: Teleports back into base, something like blink.
Assist (passive): Something like drunken haze but the enemy has chances of hitting are pretty high. helps friendly dodge attacks.
need help thinking of a ultimate for her.

you are saying she has evation, and an evation aura?? make that one skill, one passive would be enough. making an evation aura is quite hard, though, i would rather suggest to just skip the aura and to give her brawler. reatreat is nice, but make it targetable on other units as well, like staff of sanctuary, that makes it much more usefull. want to make her evasive? give her a chance to prevent magic damage as well as the brawler... maybe as ultimate. now all she needs is a berserk ability and you are done.

Fiestar (Agility,Vampire, melee)
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Bite: Bites the enemy and drain's their life.
Need help thinking of the other 2
Bloody Roses (Ultimate): Like Imolation, but deales alot of damage and takes up alot of HP.

how exactly does bite work? like drain life or is it mellee ranged? what you could do is, make teh spell so that you go to melle range, cast the spell, and then BOTH units (caster and target) are stunned for the duration of the spell... during the duration life is quickly transferred from the target to the caster. if one of them gets attacked howver, the spell is cancelled.
make bloody roses bloody expensive.
its a vampire? give him power of the night: a passive that's only active during nighttime and greatly increases a bunch of attributes... (damage, ormor, speed) he could also use a summon verry much... vampires fang: bite a target, the target is damaged over time. if the target is killed by it, the corpse spawnes a vampire familiar.

Mobius (intellegence type, melee)
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Brilliance Aura: Grants friendly a higher MP recovery rate.
Flaming Hail: Like Blizzard, its a hail of fire dealing fire damage.
Far Sight: name explains itself
Chaos Strike (Ultimate): A single strike that deals all type of damage, and it also deals damage to units around the target.

intelligence and melle is a really wrong combination, either make him agility, strength or ranged. far sight is quite useless in aos gameplay: make it not only reaveal the target area, but also slightly damage everything in it.

Dark Shadow (Intellegent Assasin Shade, melee)
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Gas Form: Allow's him to turn into a ghostly form making him immune to all physical attacks.
Burning Vapor: Something like Immolation but has to be in Gas Form to do this attack.
Line of Death: Something like Impale, but replace the buff with somethign exploding and take out the stunning effect.
Death and Decay (Ultimate): Name explains itself.

gas form = turning etherial rght? its kind of nice... but i think his spells shouldnt be too expensive, knowng that he has one that only castable in a non-attack form, wich is kind of strange becouse most of the time assasins rely on attack... but yeah, he seems like a fun caster.

Aurora (Fire Arms Expert, ranged)
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Shotgun (autocast): adds cleaving attack to attack
Grenade Launcher (autocast): adds splash damage to attack and a big radius
Gun Mastery: Gives bonus's to all her attack's and spells
Nuclear Strike: Something like the ghost's nuclear strike from starcraft.

what more to add? only to replace the shutguns effect, i mean, cleave and splash are basically the same thing. i think you should raplace shotgon for sniper rifle, gain extra range and damage, autocasted.

Hellraiser (Pure strength, nothing else, ranged)
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need help thinking of spells for this guy. something like a weapons expert but something more explosive.

ranged strength? not verry effective.. strength is meant to absorb damage, but if you want it that ok i gues... some (explosive) ideas:
-lethalli wired- plant a bomb on target mechenical unit, either friendly or foe. after a set amount of time the mechanical unit explodes with a big explosion, unless it gets dispelled.
-bulletproof- prevent and X amount of damage dealt
-siege missiles- summon an X amount of missiles that attack kamikaze attack with siege damage.
-barrage- bombards the **** out of target area, each bomb explodes and spawnes a siege missile, wich explodes near the closest target.
basically rain of chaos...

K' (all around hero, melee)
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Evade (K', passive): name explains itself.
Shockwave: Smashes his sword into the ground creating a burst of flame to come out, dealing alot of damage to the target.
Vampirism: Every damage he does, he gains health.
Return of the Dead (Ultimate): comes back to life in a undead form. can't cast any spells except shock wave. must live for at least 300 seconds until he is really resurected.

nice, especially the ultimate is verry verry goood... its also fun, that he is on the good teasm right? if he turnes undead, he cannot be heaqled by holy light anymore... wich is verry good

Sandro (all around hero, melee)
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Critical Hit: name explains itself
Drag: does the scorpion like attack, "GET OVER HERE!" stuns the enemy and deals some damage.
Frost Wave: Something like impale but instead of stuning them, it slows the enemy down.
Life Leach (Ultimate): Stabs the enemy dealing ALOT of damage and regains Alot of health back. costs alot of mana.

assasin extraoirdinairre... gut dude. only frost wave is not impale, but just breath of frost...

'V' (Tank type, ranged)
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Need help thinking of the 1st 3 spells
Hell Fire: Fires Alot of Missles at target dealing alot of damage.

eeeeehhm... how about make him a kind of speedy siege tank, like thet TC
endurance aura,
eehm... how about, walse. this couses this tank to be able to drive over anything, and damage them while he does.
doable by making his movememt flying, but at the same hight as the ground, he can now move over ANYTHING. then you give him a verry small AoE immolation that damages EVERYTHING, but the AoE is so small that units are only effected when the tank is actually standing on them. lasting for a limited period of time, ofcourse.
-barrage (passive)- witgh each shot the tank also fires a couple of siege missiles that can only target buildings, that deal siege damage. verry effective when standing next to a building, you can just keep attacking the spawnies, while your barrage attacks the buidings automatically.

Thiasse (Tank type, melee, spells cost quite alot)
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Repair: At the cost of mana, Thiasse gains back some HP.
Cooling Systems: At the cost of mana, cool down wont effect Thiasse.
Energize: At the cost of HP, Thiasse gains back full MP
TWIN CANNON (ULTIMATE): Costs about 400 MP, DEAL ALOT OF DAMAGE AND HAS HIGH RANGE. Good for destoying masses and the major buildings

okay his three skills are absolutely USELESS and more to say, overpowered. just use energize, then you can use cooling systems so u can use twin cannon infinetly, and then just use repair untikll you are healed and repeat the proces... so corny cheap and overpowered its not fun anymore, sorry, but ts true.... i like repair and twin cannon.
cooling systems is cool, but greatly overpowered. you could make it a passive, however, that just decreases the cooldown on twin cannon. energize needs to go, or he'll be boring at low levels. make this something likea damage in a cone spell or something, to be able to kill som units before you have your ulti.

in case you didnt notice, i placed comments in the quote... i am going to have to do the rest tomorrow, its time for bed right now.

05-10-2004, 05:17 AM

`deathlegionare

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