Ctf/rpg

hey everybody, this is only bout my 3rd post here but i am by no means a noob :>

this map i'm working on is a revolutionary new concept!! The basic jist of it is 8 players in teams of 2, where one player is a Hero(max lv. 20, 5-level skills, 2-lv. ultimate, + 3-lv.Attribute Bonus) and the other is an Army (with techtree, upgrades, buildings, etc.). Lots of teamwork is involved, and since it's 2v2v2v2 (for 4-team FFA, whatever you wanna call it), the game is never too linear.

Terrain is 4-way and mostly symmetrical (except natural parts) and many creeps are scattered across the map. There's a large central citadel which has some shops and Fountains that restore health in the day and mana at night. Possibly some mini-quests, yet to be finalized.

The teams are Red, Blue, Green, and Purple. 3 heroes are available to each side (one for each attribute, and very varied) and Army players posess a wide techtree including everything from footie-types to air. Gold income for army players is timed, but they can also get gold from creeping and borrowing money from their Hero.

Heroes are 100% original, utilizing totally customized skills and a flavorful array of models. also plenty of custom icons!

so far i'm 3/4 done. ^_^ hope yall like the idea!

Post some screenies :D
It sounds like a lot of good ideas but some questions do arise:

What do the hero players do when theipartner is starting his base? I assume they creep but you better have very weak creeps cause the heroes are on their own.

For the central citadel, how are you gonna keep it from being controlled by one team? Being a symmetrical map im guessing the citadel is a crossroads of paths. You could have some creeps that periodically spawn here that give little money and exp so to keep players from camping here.

This has potential to be a good map.

thanks. As for the issue of waiting for base building, the army player starts with their town hall/barracks building and enough resources to build a footie or two. Other buildings so far include a Shop, an upgrade building (fountain models; red = blood, green = defiled, blue = normal, purp = mana) with Rejuvenation,
and an Assault Center (trains artillery + knight-type). The starting creeps so far are moderately weak, but soloing is kinda tough. The bases come with 3 invulnerable moderate-damage towers situated on high terrain, so using those can make creeping easier if problems arise.

the central citadel is intended to be a neutral zone, i may add triggers to it so that units can't attack or cast spells while inside, and also be invulnerable. That should solve it :>

also, since the start of the map is a mini-cinematic (the screen fades out for a few seconds in the very beginning) i've decided to not make Army players watch. However it does give them a brief sneak-peak at the complete minimapa, which then blacks out to all black except for the immediate base area.

anyway, you asked for screenies; here's the minimap (incomplete and a bit outdated but oh well.). for some reason it won't let me upload the screenie i took of an ariel view of the Citadel, i shrunk it a lot but it's still too big :( ah well i'll figure it out eventually.

The screenie you want to upload is probably a ".bmp". change it to ".jpeg". If it still is too big upload to some webspace and link to it.

^_^ thnx for the tip! got it to work on another forum.

*edit: for some freakin retarded reason the damn link won't work. I copy it, paste it, and when i edit post most of it comes out to be *******.

anyways the site is games*************, go look in WC forums and you'll find it easily enough.

*edit: does this frakin thing think it's a curse word?!?!
here it is, spaced out.
G A M E S M O D F O R G E . C O M

k, i think i'll elaborate on the Army players now.
I've put a moderate emphasis on upgrades, of which there are a lot. However, in place of tier-based levels (waiting for next level town hall) i've made it so that the various unit-specific upgrades depend on the level of the Attack and Defense upgrades. works quite well imo.

all four Armies (red, blue, green, purp) have the same basic unit-types, but no shared models. I'm trying to make each one distinct so the game doesn't feel generic. I've also tried to include a lot of uncommon models and soundsets so things don't get stale. As for upgrades they're more flavorful than most, it's not stuff like "HP upgrade level 1" like you'd see in footie wars.

Unit Types:

Worker: builds stuff and repairs.
Upgrades available: None.
Models: Water elemental (blue), treant(green), Fel Peon (red), Wisp (purple)

Footie-Type: average melee fighter.
Upgrades available: HP upgrade (2 levels), Armor-type upgrade (Normal -> Heavy)
Models: Zombie, Dalaran Reject, Fel Grunt, Felbeast

Archer-Type: ranged fighter. Each has a different arrow ability which is researched later on, so the Archers are less clone-like.
Upgrades Available: Bow Upgrade (damage, range, arrow speed, hp), Arrow Ability
Models: Skeleton Archer, Gnoll Archer, Centaur Archer, Razormane Quilthrower
Abilities: Ice Arrows (auto, mana), Poison Arrows (passive), Searing Arrows (based off Orb of Anniilation for splash; auto, mana), Evil Barbs (item corruption, does -1 armor; passive)

Knight-Type: bigger melee fighter, has considerably more HP than footies but is really expensive. Has a passive % chance ability.
Upgrades Available: Passive % ability, HP regeneration
Models: white Magnataur, Sea Giant Hunter, Flesh Golem, Satyr Shadowdancer
Abilities: Bash, Pulverize, Critical Strike, Evasion

Artillery: long-range mechanical. Duh.
Upgrades Available: Move Speed Upgrade
Models: Catapult, Infernal Contraption(cannon), Meat Wagon(w/ corpse pickup for hero-related reasons), Obsidian Statue

Buildings:

Base - trains Workers, Footie-Types, and Archer-types.
Upgrades Researched: Footie HP upgrade, footie Armor-type upgrade, Archer Bow upgrade, Archer Arrow ability, Backpack (affects everything but worker and tank)
Models: Icecrown Obelisk (all)

Shop: sells basic items + can be used to pawn items for cash.
Models: Icey treasure Box, Wyvern Cage 1, Power Generator, Arcane Sanctum

Fountain: has rejuvenation and dmg/armor upgrades
Upgrades researched: Unit Armor, Unit Attack
Models: Fountainf of Life, Defiled Fountain, Fountain of blood, Fountain of Mana

Assault Center: trains Artillery and Knight-types.
Upgrades Researched: Artillery movespeed, Knight ability, Knight HP regen
Models: Gnoll Tent (all)

that's all so far, still working on rest. Comments?

You should 'theme' the races so they dont appear to be just a random mix of models.
For example:

[color=blue]Blue[color]
worker=water elemental
footie=ice revenant
archer=skeletal archer
knight=sea giant hunter
artillery=
base=icecrown obleisk
shop=icey treasure chest
assault center=

[color=green]Green[color]
worker=treant
footie=
archer=gnoll archer
knight=ancient model scaled down
artillery=ballistae
base=barrow den
shop=
assault center=

[color=red]Red[color]
worker=fel peon
footie=draeni
archer=succibi
knight=flesh golem
artillery=infernal contraption
base=
shop=powergenerator
assault center=

[color=purple]Purple[color]
worker=wisp
footie=kobold
archer=razormane
knight=centaur
artillery=catapault
base=
shop=Kodo Beast
assault center=Centaur Tent

actually i've already done that.

Blue
worker=water elemental
footie=BLUE zombie (dalaran mutant)
archer=skeletal archer
knight= White magnataur (has blue skin)
artillery=Catapult (Tinted, shoots ice)
base=icecrown obleisk (team color blue, alternate stand anim)
shop=icey treasure chest
assault center= Gnoll tent (tinted)

Green
worker=treant
footie=GReEn sludge (dalaran reject)
archer=gnoll archer
knight= Sea Giant Hunter (has green skin, not teal)
artillery= Demon Tank/Infernal Contraption (shoots green meteors, slightly tinted)
base=icecrown obelisk (team color green, alternate stand anim)
shop= wyvern cage (tinted - may change)
assault center= gnoll tent (tinted)

Red
worker=fel peon
footie= Fel Grunt (red skin...duh.)
archer= Centaur archer (kinda orange-redish, can't use Succubi like you suggested cuz i already have one as a hero)
knight=flesh golem
artillery= meat wagon (for hero purposes; one has modifed Ressurection + a damage spell that uses corpses)
base= icecrown obelisk (teamcolor red, alternate stand anim)
shop=powergenerator
assault center= gnoll tent (tinted)

Purple
worker=wisp (btw i changed the icon to the "Heart of Aszune" item)
footie= felbeast (purple felhound)
archer=razormane (tinted)
knight= Satyr shadowdancer (it's purple.)
artillery=Obsidian Statue (tinted, shoots Orb of Annihilation missle)
base= icecrown obelisk (teamcolor purple, alternate stand animation)
shop= Arcane Sanctum (tinted, stand work anim which has Purple particle effects)
assault center= Gnoll Tent (tinted)

i also made the heroes color-themed and did colored text for ALL the tooltips
:> i do appreciate your respect/interest in color matching n stuff, i was beggining to think it was just a loony obsession of mine.
BTW i also set the teams to races for interface/music reasons:
Red = Orc
Green = NE
Blue = Human
Purple = Undead