| 06-09-2004, 01:00 PM | #1 |
Would you guys mind making it so whenever a person negates or gives to your rep, their name is automatically included, because this random spam of rep is pissing me off. |
| 06-09-2004, 01:50 PM | #2 |
Yeah, I support this suggestion, I fully agree with it. In the mean time you could tell Whitehorn(I thought it was Whitehorn) if you had some spam-negative-reputation (I doubt about positive so... :P) -Fladian |
| 06-10-2004, 12:33 AM | #3 |
This is a good idea and unfortunately the main point of many debates. However, I personally dont see why anyone would need to keep it off, so I think all reps should be tagged. |
| 06-10-2004, 01:59 AM | #4 |
Yeah this is a good idea, but theres only one thing that might backfire, if some jackass gets a negative rep from some stupid post, He might just find a post by the person who gave him negative rep, and then negative rep him back... I know i wouldn't do this, but theres people out there that would. |
| 06-10-2004, 02:09 AM | #5 |
Yup, you are correct. The general idea is that they wouldnt be able to give rep to the other guy [if they chose to see the rep-giver] for a certain length of time, so that either the spammer could be reported immidately or you have time to cool off after a fight or flamewar or something. |
| 06-10-2004, 04:07 AM | #6 |
You can PM me here or on IRC if you think someone is giving you bad rep for no reason. However, if they names WERE ALLOWED to be seen by the people, they would just start flaming eachother and giving back bad reps to the people who gave it to them... |
| 06-10-2004, 06:51 PM | #7 |
This is always going to be a subject of great debate. Here's >70 posts about it - link |
| 06-10-2004, 08:48 PM | #8 |
Well i thought of another way we could make this work, although it may be a little labor heavy, If we made it manditory that you write the reason/comment on why you gave a negative rep, or you couldn't submit it, of course then the people will just write like 2 letters or something like this "bfbskj haha you suckaafsaf" We could then have mods that moderate each fourm be responsible for looking over the new reps that are submited on that fourm(so no one is overwhelemed), if it accualty has a legitimate comment on it(like.. "You shouldn't be racist"), they will let it go through, if it has some gay crap like "ahhasfaisfba" then they will cancel the rep and the person won't revcieve it. I think this would work really well, there would be a special section in a moderators UserCP that shows all the rep that needs to be looked over, and accepted or declined. This will def stop assholes. |
| 06-10-2004, 09:02 PM | #9 |
the problem with the rep system is people, there will always be rep spammers, and people whod rather just give rep and hide. but who can blame them. its beyond conseivable to acctualy post and lert everyone see your opinions rather than cowering beind the rep system. my rage fuled rant over with some more rational thoughts; there are only so many things that could be done with the rep system just leave it and hope that rep spamming decreases (for me thsi acctauly appears to be the case at the moment. i havnt had a useless (bad) rep for sometime) get rid of the rep system (unlikely to happen as most poeple dont get rep that much rep spamming, and especialy the mods as they can see who give them rep (i think)) change the rep system, for example, have rep moderators. but that would be a time consumeing job) and finaly (this ones my personal favourite) kill everyone. all 6 billion of the little buggers |
| 06-10-2004, 09:11 PM | #10 | |
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Well what is there like 3 moderators about per each fourm, I said it above, the reps that were given in the moderators fourm will be those mods responsiblty to look over. --For example-- Say I was a mod of the terrain fourm. 3 people gave negative reps since i last logged on these reps would be waiting to be accepted by me Once i look over them i see they look like this 1 - Rep comment: "Your mean and flamming him for no reason is stupid." - guy 1 2 - Rep comment: "haha all yur base r belong to us" - guy 2 3 - Rep comment: "egaebfasoas" -guy 3 I would only accept the 1st one because it accualty tells why they gave the negative rep. The other two I would decline. Of course there will probably be more than 3 reps given each time you log on, thats why theres llike 3 mods per fourm. Oh and about killing everyone, that would solve alot of problems. |
| 06-10-2004, 09:22 PM | #11 | |
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but what makes a valid rep? so many of the reps goven in offtopic could be considered reasonable or not. if you disagree with someones opinions can you give them a bad rep. for example; if someone posted theyre personal opinions on what made a good book or film, and someone gave them a bad rep with the comment "bad taste" it would be likely to be considered spam. however. if a neo-nazi started posted racist homophobic and anti communist comments all over the forums, and someone gave them a bad rep with the comment "bad ethics" that wouldnt be considered spam. however in essence these 2 examples are the same, you shoudl be able to hold little/bad respect to anyone who dosnt hold belifes or tsatses oposite to your own. thats what repuatoin is. and seeing as you cant determin weather a person has actaul intentions behind a rep (with comment) or is just randomly spamming, it is impossable to say whats spam, and whats not the rep system is flawed in its most basic principals, as the idea you can quantify a repuation is absurd. its called the rep system, but it has less to do with rep, and more to do with numbers |
| 06-10-2004, 11:18 PM | #12 |
I support the idea of moderator controlled rep as well, but here's my spin on it. When you wish to reduce someone's rep, you must mark the reply for moderation. It must be from a specific list that contains the following; flaming, trolling, spamming, hateful/racist/obscene remarks, links to hacks/other dirty stuff. The moderator then looks at it and makes the call. Of course positive reps should require "positive moderation" for reasons such as being nice/helpful. Abusers/ malicious downvoters should lose twice as many rep points as they can give to punish abusers/rep spammers. The pros of my idea are that it is easy to use and highly abuse resistant. The main con is being labor intensive for moderators bu that can be reduced by hireing more of them to reduce the work load. As it is now, the rep system is really easy to abuse. |
| 06-11-2004, 12:44 AM | #13 |
I know glitch the rep system is a difficult subject and your right, but combine what magnum said and i said, it would work pretty well in my opinion, better then the current one, But about the mods deciding if its valid or not, mods become mods for reasons right? They should know if somethings valid or not, prehaps draco or someone could set some guidlines on how to decide, this might be a little difficult to get off the ground at first, but it should work out. I don't think its to labor intensive either, i am pretty sure theres an average of about 3 mods on the bigger fourms, how many people give rep in a day on one fourm? It can't be so much 3 mods can't handle, and comments are usually short, accepting or declineing would be quick, just read the comment, and if nesscary, read the thread, then hit accept or decline. Anyway, if a site mod like draco could post about wether this is a good or bad idea and might be considered, or this is just a usless discussion? |
| 06-11-2004, 06:42 PM | #14 |
You may also PM Whitehorn if you feel that you were repped unfairly. And that would be too much of a workload. Not all the moderators on this site are here almost all day like I am... some of them have real lives to live. As long as there are some people like Whitehorn or Draco who are making sure that people aren't being abused, then the system is fine for now. and Next time... please check through the off-topic forum before posting ANOTHER rep discussion thread. icbm1987 |
| 06-11-2004, 08:29 PM | #15 |
by the way, don't pm whitehorn, he is going to be off line for a while. |
