| 05-16-2005, 08:44 PM | #1 |
I saw an Undead AMAI go for the mass necros strat while a NE AMAI countered with mass dryads, yet I didn't see any dryad use AM on any of the skeletons. Does it get autocast on summons? |
| 05-17-2005, 01:50 AM | #2 |
@Quitch: I myself tried the Dreadlord Necrowagon strat vs various races. For NE, I didn't notice the dryads casting Abolish Magic on skellies. Maybe they are busy doing the "poison micro", making sure each unit gets hit with poison arrows. |
| 05-17-2005, 12:43 PM | #3 |
If that is true, maybe a rethink of the Dryads to beat Summons strat is required. Without using abolish, it isn't hard to swarm and destroy the Dryads. |
| 05-19-2005, 03:49 PM | #4 | ||
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No. And I don't see Blizzard AI using dispel by any magic caster units on any summons. Which is bad for AOE dispel, priests, WON (where my damn rod went to :o ) , but probably a good idea for the dryad's single unit dispel. Too many skellies, not enough mana. So say Mojo: Quote:
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| 05-19-2005, 10:36 PM | #5 |
I don't remember exactly who but somebody from AMAI team already told here: There is no way to control spells, except high level programming which is very greedy for CPU. |
| 05-20-2005, 10:11 PM | #6 |
They don't need to control the spells, they just need to pick stratergies according to what the AI can do. If Dryads ARE picked as a counter to summons and abolish magic ISN'T autocast against summons, then that's something that needs a rethink. I disagree on the not enough mana front. It's the skeletons that kill the Dryads, thus creating more skeletons. Destroy the skeletons and the Dryads don't die, in fact they kill the necromancers. Without dead Dryads there are no corpses for the Necromancers to work with. |
| 05-20-2005, 11:46 PM | #7 | |
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Respectfully that is TheoryCraftTM. And massed dryads meeting massed necros on a moonlit night just don't happen anymore, not since v1.14. Massing any single unit nowadays will get you dead. Dryads destroy necro skellies superbly, like 300 dmg a pop its overkill even. By too many skellies not enough mana I was referring to a typical bnet match, either solo or team where dryads are part of a force mix as are the opposing necros. Its simply that the necros pump out skellies faster than the dryads can remove them; from corpses aplenty from front line melee casualties, mana pumping statues, and ideally a few meatwagons; your generic necrowagon (supersized with statues) strat. In that situation I might have a few seconds to spare for an aoe dispel with wisps. Wisps are acceptable losses, my whole army boxed in and dying ain't. I would send in dryads versus two to three necros sure. But catching just two to three means I've caught the strat in the first few minutes of its rollout and usually that means I'm in endgame dismantling the UD base. Another human player factor, if I'm microing dryads against skellies, they are spending critically less time dispelling buffs, and pumping steady poison hits against desired focus fire targets. Poison duration on heroes is one second I think and you generally need two dryads devoted to that task full time. After reading this thread I paid extra attention to dryads versus summons. My APM is only 70-110 or so o_O and even if I had dryads parked at moonwells its still a losing situation against massed summons. I'm forced to budget my micro elsewhere. Dryads were great however at extricating my heroes from skellie box ins, this emergency tactic is something I have not employed before so WUBBA WUBBA WOOHOO! A nice addition to my meager skill set. Now again as Mojo suggests, dryads for ideal for lvl2+ we's, wolves and other big HP summons. I see a dark ranger especially!, AM, FS anything along that line, up goes the lore tree asap. Speedwise, micro'ing dryads is not a problem for multitasking CPU AI, so dryads wacking on summons big or small is something I'd love to see implemented in AMAI. |
| 05-21-2005, 07:06 PM | #8 | |
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But AMAI does and does reguarly. Its favourite undead tactic seems to be Necros with statues, and I suspect the NE AMAI was doing Huntresses and Dryads, but once it loses a few Huntresses it never seems to get the balance between them again. Therefore an AMAI with massed Necros running into one with massed Dryads happens on a fairly regular basis, and when I've seen it happen it's the Necros who win. Sure, there are a load of other factors (number, upgrades, etc) so I'm not saying my words should be taken as gospel, just what I've seen/ |
| 05-21-2005, 11:00 PM | #9 |
RTFM: There is a simple solution. Add the following line to tier 2 and 3 for every NE's strategy. call SetBuildReact(10, 5, ARCHER, 5, FAERIE_DRAGON, enemy_ casters, 6, 10, 60) (ARCHER is just for example) |
