Critiques

I've been lurking the forums quite a bit lately... And I keep reading threads on the art side of the board... I'm dissapointed in just about all of you... I cannot find a single user who can take a single critique- this board hasn't changed. Years ago, when I was actually active on these forums, it was pretty much the same... I was a hated member because I gave hard critiques... but do any of you realize that critiques are the most important factor in an artists improvement? You cannot expect to improve without having a truthfull critics opinion...

Because not every piece of art is perfect... There's always room for improvement. do not take critiques personally... Instead, thank the critic- he's helping you improve. He's not trying to point out flaws to upset you... he's helping you progress. I've seen critics being flamed, I've seen the worst of the worst.

Just because you have followers, posting comments in everysingle art thread you make, does not mean you do not have room for improvement. Now please, next time someone gives you a critique, thank them... Don't yell at them...

I know I'm just asking to be flamed on this forum... But can we should a little common courtesy towards critiques?

hes proudclod. you worked on one of the old projects. modeler yes? one of the futuristic mods yes? i remember you.

interesting metaphore worm.


i agree with clod. no doubt.

What a stupid first reply Storm but I'll forgive you since you're french. (I think and hope.)

Proudclod if I remember well you we're part of FPS mod and I was wandering around those parts and being useless :D. That was the good ol days.

There's alot of good people here at wc3c. That's why I stayed here and couldn't get into the other art-specific forums. We have a small ammount of users active in the forum and we all kinda know each other a bit. (like some kinda of family)

In those good people there's some who can really give good crits, I remember there was a former member (the one with a 8bit avatar blonde dude) who gave really constructive critiscism. Worm used to be good too (I remember a big long crit he gave to me in my gallery thread a long time ago). And for the people who can't take crit as you say... it doesn't cover all of the members here. They might seem more numerous because they are more active and post alot.

We all gotta learn how to love. We can't continue without the love so let's all stop the flaming and try to build a more high quality art section. ^^b

i take just about everyone crits... except lightkirtar's

It's easier to take a comment if it's phrased in a manner that is not belligerent or may be percieved that way.

People just need to be more open minded, and the critics need to give suggestions.

When a person claims something isn't right, it works out better when they give a suggestion as to how to fix the problem.

Blame will never lie with only one side.

icbm1987

a lot of you are simply arguing over the defenition of the word 'critique', not actually discussing peoples reactions toward them.

i know i shouldnt, but i dont take criticism well. id be better off if i didnt feel like itd hurt my ego. as much... it could be that i put a lot into my 'art' and expect as much, but it doesnt come out.

we'll see when i throw out another sketch.

speaking of which, i challeneged shadow to a draw off.... due the end of june.

maybe.

*runs away, penicl in hand*

theres a problem with the way people give crits. they either asspat, which is basically fanboyish praise, or they put the drawing down completely. very few people find that happy medium.

as for me, i don't post unless i have something to say. lots of times what i have to say has already been said, so i don't post. i have also taken to lurking.

I asspat a lot and please feel free to asspat me cuz I like it.
*pat* *pat*

So in conclusion, we here in the concept art section need to change our ways if we want to become good artists. When you are a good artist you can draw well and also spot mistakes and suggest ways of fixing it. So there we go, problem solved now let's all keep this conversation in mind whenever we post here.

Asspatting might seem useless and stupid but I like it, its a ego booster. ^^b
But evil crit can surely ruin your day! Therefore we should try to tone down our emotions... like instead of saying: Your arm is fucking messed up.

We can say: I think theirs a problem with the arm, its... etc. etc.

As soon as forums are back and running normally ima post my latest effort full work of art and I'll be looking forward to some massive asspatting and good crits! :p

Spread the love!

its easy. i've got the hottest one.

In school, our instructors meted out criticism more profusely than compliments, but they did so on a holistic basis. I think it is important to retain this element in the treatment of any evaluation or analysis of work. I respected the instructors more who gave out heavier criticism. Of course, they were from the faculty of design and had a concrete basis upon which to do so. The Fine Arts department was ambigious, and as long as the artist could justify his work, he could do no wrong. Not much help received there, I have to say. That is neither here nor there, though.

Artists have minds, and not all are free of egoism. The presentation of a criticism is important, as the amount of it having any impact depends on its reception. Psychological factors can't be discounted, and I think it is important to balance the positive with the negative, so to say. No peice cannot be improved upon, and most everything has a good point. Balancing and categorizing a piece is a perceptual process that shouldn't be done without taking into account the artist's level of skill and previous accomplishments.

I thought it went without saying that any artist can appreciate somebody making an effort to analyze their work and suggest improvements to be made, for it helps the artist to grow. Anybody who feels otherwise must have their reasons, so no need to be frustrated or make generalizations. All things become clear in time, for everybody. If it takes longer for some, so be it.

Although I am afraid of these barely veiled threats involving french people, vinegar, and excretory ducts.

There many complicated words in Ogre's post but I got the main idea.

And Beam, I hate you its not true! I'll make a more diplomatic definition.

Beam: Girl with Hat
Candy: Girl with Boobies
Kimchi: Girl with Writing (didn't remember :/)

Oh my GOD this thread makes me laugh so much. Notice how there is only very few people who get angry at me. SRJ, yoda and a few other people are putting far too much into this. I dont care who posts the art okay? I think you guys are giving yourselves too much credit about how much I care about you. All I care about is about the artwork. Srj, please, show me the post where I was rude to you and my claims were unfounded. Show me a quote and ill beleive you. The people on this board have been far more offensive to me then I have been to anyone. I crit artwork, and people automaticly open up on me with this random crap. I give crits on srj's artwork and he tells me to go die, I give crits on yoda's artwork and he starts criticizing MY work and uses it as an excuse for his artwork's quality. Honestly, I dont hate anybody here and I see absolutley no reason as to why I would insult anybody here because who cares about what is said on a forum anyway? Now you say "I take crits from anybody but LightKirtar". Whys that? Because I dont asspat you? Are you unable to take the comments? If youre not gonna take a crit that who cares? Stop announcing it publicly with "no lightkirtar hes mean". Nobody cares.
"But who the fuck are you?"
Thats basically worse then anything ive ever said to you, so stop crying.

Flaming will not be tolerated.

At all.

Now please continue in a peaceful manner.

icbm1987

i dont actually think lightkirtar's repsonses are really flames in those two threads. He's just very blunt with what he says, and he doesnt sugar coat anything. And ill admit, that sometimes he comes across a bit condesencing, but he's pointing out flaws in your drawings, and thats expected... after all, people post art here to get feedback.