ATTENTION: noobs and noob helpers alike

After being on this site for sevaral months now, i've noticed several dissipointments with this site like all others that i would like to change for the better. Noobs all over this and millions of other forums are treated poorly and i have this to say about it. What do you think is our duty as members of this site? I'll tell what our duty is, to answer every question with consideration of what people have to say. To be a mentor to the noobs out there. The be a teacher to the little pre-schoolers in this site known as noobs. They deserve to be treated equally. Respected for their curiosity not flamed for it. I would like your opinion on my idea by posting/voting here. Thank you for reading/voting and remember one thing: When the wise leave, will the noobs (or should i say future administraters) be wise enough to do the same for the noobs of their time? That's up to you.

I vote A for several reasons: I remember when i was a noob, I acted stupid, said some stupid things, and this was my first forum, so yea. I usually give them some rep to help them out, and I usually try to be helpful. Another reson, don't expect too many favors if you just stroll up and flame/red rep noobs (Yes I'm talking to you PlasticAngel, and I wouldn't be suprised if you red rep me for it too) what's the use of having an attitude like that? If you help somone out you can be you'll be repayed for it sometime or another.

This is what i'm talking about! thank you!

when a person joins he is branded a newbie, not n00b mind you but newbie. When he starts saying stupid things, reviving dead topics, posting stupid threads (lie this one), etc. That is when you're branded a n00b...

Understandable, but as you say reviving old topics, the topic is new to them you must relize. I agree partialy though, there is a difference between one who is new and one who is here for the sake of being stupid.

darkhorde i dont think this is stupid, although you make a very good point about going from newbie to noob. some people do treat the newbies very poorly. i dont think theres anything wrong with saying this idea either plasma. i think people that flame the newbies alot should think about it and change there ways. noobs however (negativity) just act stupid be stupid and in negativitys case, want to be stupid, and therefore deserve to be flamed/givin red rep.

Of course there are people that deserve red rep but there are also people that don't but are given it anyway. i mean, look at me. i'm in red rep *coughPlasticAngelcough*because i tried to defend a newbie and got flamed for it.

First of all. Why the hell do you even care about reputation? It's a system that gives you green or red blobs under your avatar, NOTHING MORE. The more you care about the reputation system and your own reputation the more you deserve the bad rep, because reputation doesn't mean anything more than the meaning YOU make of it and if you don't care at all about it, neither will others and those who do, well they're newbs and they're stupid, why bother? Take Wormskull for example, he got two dots of red rep, does it make him unpopular? No, rather the opposite. Respect is something which you gain from achieving things in community, not whoring out blinking gifs in some obscure forum rewarding system.

As for newbies, I do help them if I see a reason too. But there are things that goes under the name of HELP FILES, FAQ's and TUTORIALS and when the bitches NEVER EVER read the damn stickys or similar I can feel no sympathy for them. If I managed to find my way through it without using the FAQ's NOR asking stupid questions as a newbie but by simply observing, then ANY random newbie should be able to do so with all the help that is available for them. There has to be a limit. I'd bet Plasma Dragon that if you had stayed in this community for 3 fucking years, I'd expect you'd see it from my point of view pretty quickly, seeing as the amount of STUPID newbie ASSHOLES that whine and bitch and NEVER READ A SINGLE DAMN WRITTEN FILE OF INSTRUCTIONS TO ANYTHING AT ALL up through the years is pretty frustrating to ANY forumer. Now stop whining and suck it up.

Aha... I don't see much use of the poll actually.

Would you call the "noob" a 'newbie' several things would be different. Regardless, I would react similar in both ways.
Most people here, have been a member of a different forum before. In total, I am a (ex)member of about 12 different forums. In all of those forums, two of them was it granted that you could revive an old (one year, or more) thread and two of them where you could doubl-... uh... post a lot of times in a row. As result, you might notice that most forums have the same rules and quite easy to understand.

I am still the moderator of the Team Gathering forum out here. As always, which never changed eitherway, even if it looked that way, I am annoyed by those who don't read the "Do's and that's" or the FAQ and create a (team gathering) thread with about three sentences in it.
Now I ask you, what would you do?
1. Help him/her until he/she now knows what to do, after which giving him/her some good rep. and expect to do it again the day after you just said that... and the day after that... and on and on.

2. Leave him to figure it out and/or direct him to the FAQ - and expect to do it again the day after you just said that... and the day after that... and on and on.

3. Yell at the incompotent fool (you then give bad rep to him/her).

My pick was, until some time ago, no.1. Then it changed to no.2 and now I don't really care. As a matter of fact, I care very little of what happens here, or around me. That would probably be the most useful way.
The only forum you can find me in a common good mood is the SCH (fansite) forum, but then again, there are no newbies and no noobs either. The average age over there is about 40 years older than here :P

EDIT: Or in short: what RightField just said.

OK this is it I'm changing my sign just because of this...
The community on wc3c is rather polite, I was never flamed or insulted for anything I asked, how come I was a newbie, right?

Imagine if thigs were different:

I'm borrowing the words of PlasticAngel for this, "Just because they're new doesn't mean they can't read." 80% of the things that these people ask are answered in stickys at the top of the forums, it's hard to miss them, the rest are useally questions that anyone with half a brain could answer. Now I might yell at them, but giving them bad rep is completly stupid, the reputation system is a complete waste of space.

Rightfield are totally right.. I mean, "HOW DO U MAKE SKIN IN 3D MAX?!!111". How do you answer that? Like "ok, give me your msn and I'll give you a 2 year lesson for free" or what? Or maybe "THERE'S A TUTORIAL SECTION!" would fit better? And when it says clearly in a sticky in skinning and texturing forum "in case you ARE stupid, NO REQUESTS HERE, IDIOT!", why do you see "Can some1 here make tis kool lotr model? It's for my über map of d00m!"?

Why treat someone you don't know with respect? That, in my opinion, has to be earned. So you have newbies coming in here and complaining cause they don't get treated the same way their mommy treats them. Like mentioned before, it is also a huge problem because this generation of kids have short attention spands, and choose not to read things that will spare them this so called "flaming".

My question to you is... why the hell are you getting so offended from someone over the INTERNET who you will probably never meet? Is your pride on the line?
And so I will end by the quote RightField provided with us earlier.

~Azhag~

I voted number one.
I help them out whenever possible, and I don't really call them a noob anyways because everyone's a noob in some part of modding or the other, with exeptions of course. E.X. I'm clueless on skins.
I will however, if the 'newb' made the same thread twice, tell them not to do it again, and if he/she does I'll neg rep them.
Note: For the 'flammers' rep matters too you, because without rep you can't exactly flame much rep..seeing whereas you'd have none.
Look at it this way, noobs are our students and we are their teachers, they don't torture children anymore like they used to...like smacking them with rulers, ect. So we shouldn't either.
This is a Wc3 modding site where we help people, not flame and discourage people.

~Destruction

As a teacher you try to help people when I can, but you can't really help retarded people to understand why is 1+1=2 ,can you o_O?

Also it is quite hard to explain why it is better to read FAQ instead of asking the same stuff... I was never called a noob while I was on wc3c how come o_O? Even though I admit there is a small procent of me that is quite noobish ^_^