Special Agent

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She looks broken.

Thanks for your wonderful in depth summary. I will be sure to take your wonderful words of wisdom into account.

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Oh and here's the reference.

Well, your introduction was '...........' so it's not like you indicated you wanted anything other than a comment.

On this screen, I cant see much of the dark areas - perhaps a background othe than pure black would be a nice contrast.

Like I hinted, the pose looks more than uncomfortable, and in addition, her right cheek seems too stretched, or lacking definition/shadow.

I think the cheek is fine.
As for the pose, note the reference. It doesn't look uncomfortable at all.

Still cant take a crit I see. Nice to see some things never change.

Yoda, you took a pic, ad basically recoloured it and added a randomgun. The pose *does* look uncomfortable, like it or not. You shouldn't use random internet wannabe whores as a reference because... well... they're minging as sin itself.

Don't complain when someone is harsh after you show a piece of work, it's going to happen, don't get so pissy.

Except that I completely redid it and the reference was completely off to the side.

If someone actually made a criticism that made any sense at all I would consider it. Note that I didn't say anything bad about whitehorn suggesting to use a lighter background because THAT MAKES SENSE.

If it wasn't for the reference picture being the same pose, then yea, I might consider the pose as uncomfortable. But does it really matter since the reference is in the same pose? No, it doesn't.

Oh, and for implying that I just recolored it and shit like that, fuck you. Yes, I'm going to get mad when someone says I recolor. Seriously, you expect me to respect you at all with an insult like that? And use actual english words when you are critisizing something. "Minging" is not an english word.

If guarantee that I have looked at this picture for things wrong with it more than anyone. There are two glaring flaws in it that I will acknowledge after someone points them out. Anything else I have looked over countless times and unless someone can show me how something is wrong, it isn't.

Yoda, it does look awkward though. In the reference shot, it seems the girl has more mobility and she is in that position more naturally than in yours where she is in some kind of suit that it would seem shouldn't be able to move like that. Just my opinion but you have to see that something just doesn't quite look right there... It is however, a cool shot haha...

Ah, damn it Yoda! Just as I suspected: you just traced an outline over the original photo and then painted over it (this is your painting ontop of the photo; I gived a red hue to the painting):

The only element you did is the gun. Now that's big time cheating. This equals no improvement. There's no damn feeling of achievement if you do things like that and also it dosen't improve your skills, like I said. References should be used to paint AFTER them, not ON them. So don't act like freakin* mad if Datajax stated that you recolored it, 'cause basicaly you did. You're insulting us with your behaviour, I wouldn't expect this from you.

Oh, and the pose is uncomfortable, try staying like that. If someone stays like that, it dosen't mean it's comfortable. If we follow your way of thinking, then this pose would be very comfortable: . Even contorsionists state that the poses they take are not comfortable, so don't try to counter this.

And the painting has no depth, the shapes should have been more defined. Of course, this is because you looked...err...copied a picture that was taken with a flash and the flash usualy flattens things. Next time use some reference with natural/studio light, but not coming from the front and do your own interpretation of it. And stop thinking that you're always right.

How can you possibly be this thick-skulled? You cant see your own mistakes, its just how it works. There are things in the image that makes your own mind connect it just because you are the one who made the image. Your anatomical and logical mind is invested into this image and therefore of course you cant see the problems. The more you look at an image of your own, the more you grow to like it, ANY artist can tell you this. As for the flaws? Indeed, the black background distorts the tones already, but add in some of the poor shading and color selection, and it sticks out and punches you in the balls. Your anatomical knowledge is clearly lacking, you need to study the muscles and bones and know what moves where when you do something.
Oh, and on a final note, the pose DOES look awkward. Theres an extreme problem you have, and thats your need to explain everything in an image to make sense. The image speaks for itself, and you cant always be there to give your "OMG ITS MEANT TO BE LIKE THAT" speech. Sometimes you just need to make a pretty obvious and logical decision and do what looks right instead of what you think it should be. But then again, this entire note is a waste because ive told you time and time again and youll just disregard it because its too much work. If you ever want to improve in art (which from what ive seen of your attitude, you dont) then learn to take a crit.

PS: Just to get a hint of what everyone is telling you, flip your image horizontaly and maybe youll see it from a fresh perspective.

Dammit, I finished the message when I got home from school and people beat me to it.

TDR, thats what he does on all his images. Ive tried to tell him but every time he just makes up an excuse for sucking. Let's just wait and see what creative intellectual response he comes to grace us with this time around.

dude...he painted over the photo...what anatomical knowledge?

Actually, after I finished doing it ALL BY MYSELF with the reference completely off to the side. Then people at ConceptArt.org told me to use the reference to make sure everything was correct and aligned, it wasn't so they TOLD ME to fix it, so I DID. It was pretty close before though. Eyes were a little off, the nose was too small, the front of the shirt was to far out and the shirt was too long.

And sure, you can say that oh I'm just lying about this to cover it up. But 1) I have no reason to cover anything up because nobody likes it in the first place and 2) I honestly hardly give a fuck if you don't believe.

And what is the point of saying something looks uncomfortable if ANY picture can look uncomfortable and still be right. Thats like complaining that someone is standing in a picture instead of sitting. There is absolutely no point.

It's called an observation.