Replacing Frog and Crab

Yes, its true!

In 2.8 there will be two NEW FISH!

The replacement for Crab will be the Sand Elemental:

Opposite of Water Elemental. Slow on Water, Fast on Land. On land gains a sandstorm Aura that blinds Naga for 50% miss chance (not 100% sure on this skill, feel free to brainstorm others).

Need help brainstorming replacement for Frog.

Isn't the new version supposed to have more land than water? The Sand Elemental would make the Water one useless as the Sand Elemental would be more efficient over a larger portion of the map.

Also, what's wrong with the Crab and the Frog? The Crab was my favorite fish.

Well from what kara has told me, i quote, "i just doesnt like that stupid crypt fiend modle." Don't know why he doesn't like burrow but he doesn't.

Ok, there WAS supposed to be more land then water but that really didn't happen. The bottom water ruin area was turned to a land ruin area yes, but then a water maze was made somewhere else. So the balance of Water to Land isn't that much shifted. The only Water area lost was the area of water platues to the left of the map.

Now let me get into detail about why I don't like the Crab, Sea Dragon and Frog currently.

Frog: This Fish is just a huge pain in the ass to play against as Naga. It makes noob Naga leave all the time. It is also kinda unoriginal and boring. Only cool thing about this Fish is Leap, and Murloc and Water Ele already have a "Blink"

Sea Dragon: This Fish is fine. The problem is that with the new Sand Elemental, Hunter of the Shores becomes a redudant skill. See other thread to brainstorm new ideas to replace this skill.

Crab: I think this Fish is very plain and boring. All he has is stock ladder skills. I personally find this Fish very boring to play.

well my idea is blink is MUCH better than a curse attack, so also make it slow and dont reduce speed for water, just dont increase it, because land move speed buffs are good, and a water move speed buff is better than a land move speed buff, and a water move speed nerf is worse than a land mvoe speed nerf, theres no way to avoid being on water for SOME part of the game, but there ARE ways to avoid land

I got a really swell idea for his land skill.

http://www.wc3campaigns.net/showthread.php?t=84008

I might ALSO give him that Sandstorm Aura in ADDITION to this spell but it would probably only be a minor thing like 25% miss.

So, I think one of the replacements is pretty good to go unless you guys have other ideas.

Really need to brainstorm another Fish though, I am going to review all the ideas posted by Jus and Tannish but more would be nice

The sea dragon, like you said karawasa, need a new skill and the skill you brought up where he makes ice in a 750 straight line that he goes max speed on and naga go slow on would be great.. so that should be used to fill in the spot.

Heres the good part Firsts up i got a treant.
First Skill: (True Colors) let him turn into a tree with small agrro range no a forest tree but the tropical looking trees. No cooldown

Second Skill: (Tree Wall) make a row of mabye 6 trees that will push naga that they hit back foor a second. this can slo make quick walls which the nagas wont pass by them selfs. 2 minute cooldown

Knowing the tree are attaclkable it will stay ballanced imo

Second up is my Hydra Hatchling

First Skill: (Three sets of eyes) Give the hrydra a larger line of site. what ever u wthink is balanced (range) {passive}

Second Skill: (SPLIT) Hydra gets the same and Storm earth fire spell for panda. just splits into 3 more hydra with 25 health just to give a small chance
of surviving a bit better. For art just cover 2 heads? i dunno or just make 3 smaller hydras {would make snece since he has 3 heads) 2 min cool down

well jass spells r cool but not always the best choice, and in tag theres not much that even comes CLOSE to blink

O! maybe a chain sleep thing

I was thinking cuz we added in a jungle beast couldnt we add a troll?

If we could he would have:

Advanced Engineering: troll builds slightly more advanced buildings with more hp.

Worship: Troll can build a shrine to worship gods(this would have some kind of mana limit and slowly charge when troll used ability or was loaded into it) as it charges can use for spells like invisibility.(i was thinking kind of like a big bad voodoo that he uses while worshiping)

Don't know if troll is a bit to far from a fish but we did add in jungle beast which isnt really a fish.

Earth Elemental's land skill is called Uproot. It creates a ring of trees at a target location for 5(could be 7.5) seconds.

Bah this other Fish is giving me a headache to come up with though :(.

Got one really cool spell (I hope) for the new Fish (Perhaps).

It creates a bubble just like Chronosphere. It will be a diff color of course. Instead of freezing units it pushes them toward the middle of the bubble. Units can still attack etc. and can try and resist the Push.

The other idea is to create a orb that forces Naga within range of it to attack it for like 5 seconds.

Basically some sort of disable spell.

Need to brainstorm the other spell though! Maybe an escape spell or some sort of passive.

You are too much of a dota player... bubble would be great but not "Like Chronosphere" when I hear chronosphere I think Red Alert 2 thing that teleports units into enemy base. Same with the ice path skill -> dota spectral dagger, uproot -> Furion's sprout

Come on Karawasa you know you want to use my brother's sea cucumber idea

No, sea cucumber is too 1337

Haha yes I was a very hardcore DotA player. Uproot I think I am going to change so its a wall of trees rather then a ring.

Ice path skill I guess could be like Spectral Dagger but it involves sliding and is a large AoE sheet of ice.

Anyway, DotA has lots of people brainstorming/taking ideas from tons of places, why not tap into their resources eh?