Evasion Stacking?

11-26-2007, 09:36 PM	#1
cohadar	My hero has 30% evasion, what happens if it gets an item that gives 30% evasion? what happens if it gets two?

11-26-2007, 09:42 PM	#2
Nuclear Arbitor	i think he just has 30% but i haven't screwed around with it. what ever it is I'm pretty sure its the same for critical strike. actually look at the talisman of evasion, that should tell u in the description.

11-26-2007, 09:46 PM	#3
Fulla	Evasion never stacks as far as I know. Some things like magic damage reduction I think, once you learn a hero ability any items you pickup wont work, but any items you was holding prior will still work.

11-26-2007, 09:55 PM

BBDino

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Some things like magic damage reduction I think, once you learn a hero ability any items you pickup wont work, but any items you was holding prior will still work.

I seem to remember that critical strike stacks in some wierd way, but i can't remember the specifics. A search might turn something up.

EDIT: here's some details

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Originally Posted by PsychoPif

Well I guess it can be changed somewhere because I just tested it again.

You create a peon with 0 armor and 1000HP with no attack.
You modify an hero so he has 100% chance to do 2x damage as an ability and always does that same amount of damage, let's say 50.
You give him an item that gives 100% to do 4x the damages.

If you attack with only the item, you will hit the peon for 200 damages, everytime. You then learn the ability, which override the item, you now hit for 100. Both crit now show but only the 2x is done. You drop the item and pick it up again, you now crit for 200, both crit are shown.

That the basic behaviour, beside removing the melee initialization and creating two forces so the hero will attack the peon, it was a stock map. Now, if anyone know how to make the crit stack and/or how to remove the double crit message, I'm sure a lot of ppl would be interested in knowing how.

11-26-2007, 09:57 PM	#5
cohadar	I know there is a tutorial on stacking somewhere I just cannot find it...

11-26-2007, 09:58 PM

Toadcop

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Evasion never stacks as far as I know.

Some things like magic damage reduction I think, once you learn a hero ability any items you pickup wont work, but any items you was holding prior will still work.

hmm evasion work pararel. (at least it was so in 1.07 100%) crits also work pararel but they can stack the effect (aka damage multiplier).

+ what about the spell damage reduction ? for example if i ould have 4 items which reduce spell damage by 25% so ? i would have 25% or 100% O_O ?

11-26-2007, 10:36 PM	#7
cohadar	I did not want to think about this so I triggered evasion in my map and now it stacks... case closed.

11-27-2007, 06:08 AM	#8
Earth-Fury	As i remember: Critical strike and Evasion don't stack, they work in parallel. 30% + 30% evasion isn't 60%, its 2 30% evasion chances. Two critical strikes can trigger on the same attack, both numbers will show, but only one will actually be effective. If you want sane evasion and critical strike stacking, trigger it.

11-27-2007, 10:33 AM	#9
Toadcop	Earth-Fury no crit stuck 100% you will get huge dmg.

11-27-2007, 10:52 AM	#10
zen87	which means, if evasion works in parallel, giving a unit 2 different evasion skill of 50% evade each, you'll end up getting 75% evasion? correct me if im wrong...

11-27-2007, 11:14 AM

#11

Bsycho

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Originally Posted by zen87

which means, if evasion works in parallel, giving a unit 2 different evasion skill of 50% evade each, you'll end up getting 75% evasion?

correct me if im wrong...

no, you're right.

works like this:
1-(1-A)*(1-B)

so you end up with 1-0.25=0.75

presuming the 2 skills/items each grant 30%, you effectively have a chance of 51%.

11-27-2007, 12:14 PM	#12
Toadcop	u would say no there is a chanche what all evasions will act pararel so the min chance is 50 and the max is 100 =)

11-27-2007, 01:28 PM	#13
Malf	two 50% evasions != one 75% evasion. learn2brain, 75% will occur more frequently than two 50% evasions.

11-27-2007, 01:57 PM

#14

Rising_Dusk

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learn2brain, 75% will occur more frequently than two 50% evasions.

If they stack correctly, then you would be wrong.

You are attacked. You have a 50% chance to evade that attack. So that means you have a 50% chance it goes through, okay, with me? Good. Now, if you have ANOTHER 50% to evade after the first, then if it made it through the 50% to hit of the first one, it has another 50% chance to be evaded. This effectively yields a 75% evasion. [50% + (50% of 50%)]

So you could effectively replace 2 50% evasions that stack with a single 75% evasion and yield the same results. It's easier to see with 50%s, but if you use the 30%, then you get [30% + (30% of 70%)] which shows 51% total evasion chance.

11-27-2007, 02:09 PM

#15

DioD

This is demo map, crits bashes and orbs.

Evasion do not stuck, greatest chance will count.

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